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Old 16th November 2010, 01:49 PM   #1
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Great collection Erik,

Not easy items to find. I don't think I see anything like them where I am.
Does the hat have any kind of liner?
All the pieces are very nice, I particularly like the shield.

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Old 16th November 2010, 04:06 PM   #2
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Thanks,

Can send you a pic of the inside of the hat - it does not have a seperate lining. It does have an opening in the top in which sometimes (during weddings e.g) a special star like jewel was worn. Such a star I have only seen in a museum.

Holland is of course the place where many of these items were brought by the military people who "collected" them but even here these items are rare - the rencong with triple crown is maybe 1 of 100 rencong and the other even rarer (that one was not brought back a military person but by a ship captain that received it as a gift from a local leader)

More of these items in Holland than in Aceh I think and there are some great museum collections and a few very good private collections too.


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Great collection Erik,

Not easy items to find. I don't think I see anything like them where I am.
Does the hat have any kind of liner?
All the pieces are very nice, I particularly like the shield.

Congratulations
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Old 16th November 2010, 05:06 PM   #3
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Thank you Erik,
My email is: gimmieitbaby@aol.com
I'd like to see inside as I've never seen one before

I don't doubt how rare some of these pieces are. A lovely display you have!
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Old 16th November 2010, 05:57 PM   #4
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Erik, very nice collection you have there and a lovely display you have arranged.
What come in my mind direct: I have collected several sirih boxes on Halmahera and some have the same look like yours. I have seen the same style also in antique shops in Makassar.

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Old 16th November 2010, 07:15 PM   #5
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Hi Detlef,

Probably these types of boxes were used in a wider area. I know this one was actually collected in Aceh. Here a picture of mine (a version with low silver content - most are brass) in a page of the book Indonesia - discovery of the past (about famous expeditions and the collections that came from there). The page is with a similair box collected in the central Sumatra expedition of 1873. I think the decoration style if typical of Sumatra.

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Erik, very nice collection you have there and a lovely display you have arranged.
What come in my mind direct: I have collected several sirih boxes on Halmahera and some have the same look like yours. I have seen the same style also in antique shops in Makassar.

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Old 16th November 2010, 10:41 PM   #6
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Hi Eric, I think that I own one with a similar decoration but don't know in the moment where I have stored it.
A other possibility is that these boxes are produced maybe in Sumatra and traded all over the archipelago, who knows?

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Old 17th November 2010, 09:54 AM   #7
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Probably you are right - much was traded - also very visible in many keris and North Sumatra was a very important trading post from the 16th century onward.

That is what you get when your interest is very broad - more items than space

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Hi Eric, I think that I own one with a similar decoration but don't know in the moment where I have stored it.
A other possibility is that these boxes are produced maybe in Sumatra and traded all over the archipelago, who knows?

Regards,

Detlef

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