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Old 16th November 2010, 08:23 AM   #1
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Thanks Maurice,

The ones you have are among the very few I know about outside of musea. Probably they are rarer as you mentioned than the rattan ones. I guess often they are not recognized as Aceh shields either.

The decorated ones probably do not come from Aceh but Minang Kabau and are often called dancing shields.....The decorated shields I do see are almost always old - from before 1940.


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I have two of the real old brass ones, made for war, and not those which pop up regularly and are also old, but made for tourists.
When seeing and holding the real ones next to the touristic ones, you can feel the differences easily.
The old "non touristic" ones are much heavier and also very plain, and not that ornamented as the touristic ones!

By the way I have crossed more ratan atjeh shields as brass "non touristic" ones..

Nice to know is that the old brass ones that were found in the Nijmegen muweum, and all came from important knil people and old collections, are all plain. There is not one to be found that is decorated in the front, so this has to be the proof that those ornamented brass ones are touristic pieces.
Also I have never seen old pictures of Atjeh warriors with an ornamented brass peurise holding.....

Nice image Erik! You have the best Atjeh stuff around!

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Maurice

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Old 16th November 2010, 11:07 AM   #2
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I must say, great goals you have set yourself in obtaining this style of weapon, the collection you have put together is amazing, world class.

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Old 16th November 2010, 12:25 PM   #3
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Thanks Gavin!

Although my interest is very broad I have learned that limiting the scope of the actual collection can help to become an "authority" in a specific field quickly. With my limited budget I buy less items which helps me to fund he best pieces I am able to find within my focus. All of my current collection was built in less than 2 years....(with good help from fellow collectors - of which several are/were regulars on this forum!)

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Old 16th November 2010, 12:49 PM   #4
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Great collection Erik,

Not easy items to find. I don't think I see anything like them where I am.
Does the hat have any kind of liner?
All the pieces are very nice, I particularly like the shield.

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Old 16th November 2010, 03:06 PM   #5
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Thanks,

Can send you a pic of the inside of the hat - it does not have a seperate lining. It does have an opening in the top in which sometimes (during weddings e.g) a special star like jewel was worn. Such a star I have only seen in a museum.

Holland is of course the place where many of these items were brought by the military people who "collected" them but even here these items are rare - the rencong with triple crown is maybe 1 of 100 rencong and the other even rarer (that one was not brought back a military person but by a ship captain that received it as a gift from a local leader)

More of these items in Holland than in Aceh I think and there are some great museum collections and a few very good private collections too.


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Great collection Erik,

Not easy items to find. I don't think I see anything like them where I am.
Does the hat have any kind of liner?
All the pieces are very nice, I particularly like the shield.

Congratulations
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Old 16th November 2010, 04:06 PM   #6
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Thank you Erik,
My email is: gimmieitbaby@aol.com
I'd like to see inside as I've never seen one before

I don't doubt how rare some of these pieces are. A lovely display you have!
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Old 16th November 2010, 04:57 PM   #7
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Erik, very nice collection you have there and a lovely display you have arranged.
What come in my mind direct: I have collected several sirih boxes on Halmahera and some have the same look like yours. I have seen the same style also in antique shops in Makassar.

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