Identification assistance

Jim McDougall · 19th October 2010, 07:25 PM

Hi Jim,
Actually I had overlooked the device also at first, but it was noticed by my friend Gav, as we were discussing your sword. In subsequent research, and as noted in my last post (#12, 9Oct) this quatrefoil rosette was also known in Holland as the 'kleeblatt', and was at various times used as a makers mark in Solingen as well as a motif in inscriptions and invocations. In Holland, it may have been a kind of acceptance mark or as before, an emphatic device used along with invocations, inscriptions or perhaps with key dates, as I have been trying to determine with these VOC examples.

Thank you for the response Jim, and I hope you do continue the appreciation of these historic weapons, as I know I have for many years. They always have stories to tell!!

All the best,
Jim

RealWing · 5th November 2010, 12:46 AM

While doing more of my own family research I found a newspaper article for Jul 4, 1951 about a Bagshaw Family Reunion in Sunderland, Ontario, Canada. Under a photo of all those in attendance was this statement: “ First member of the Bagshaw family to come to Canada was William, a horse-soldier who fought under Wellington at Waterloo.”
I realize you can't believe everything you read in a newspaper, however it does coincide with what my grandparents told me about the sword-that it had been used in the Battle of Waterloo.
William Bagshaw had emigrated to Canada in 1817 when he was 44. He settled near Sunderland.

M ELEY · 22nd October 2011, 07:26 AM

Here's another like the above. (Sorry, moderators. Tried but failed to cut/paste pics).

It's completed eBay auction # 190586365141

Beaut of a sword, but I suspect the grip or possibly the whole hilt replaced?? Wish I had had the $ to bid on this one-

5th November 2010, 12:46 AM	#2
RealWing Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 6	More followup While doing more of my own family research I found a newspaper article for Jul 4, 1951 about a Bagshaw Family Reunion in Sunderland, Ontario, Canada. Under a photo of all those in attendance was this statement: “ First member of the Bagshaw family to come to Canada was William, a horse-soldier who fought under Wellington at Waterloo.” I realize you can't believe everything you read in a newspaper, however it does coincide with what my grandparents told me about the sword-that it had been used in the Battle of Waterloo. William Bagshaw had emigrated to Canada in 1817 when he was 44. He settled near Sunderland. Attached Images

22nd October 2011, 07:26 AM	#3
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,165	Ebay sword... Here's another like the above. (Sorry, moderators. Tried but failed to cut/paste pics). It's completed eBay auction # 190586365141 Beaut of a sword, but I suspect the grip or possibly the whole hilt replaced?? Wish I had had the $ to bid on this one-

19th October 2010, 07:25 PM	#1
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,295	Hi Jim, Actually I had overlooked the device also at first, but it was noticed by my friend Gav, as we were discussing your sword. In subsequent research, and as noted in my last post (#12, 9Oct) this quatrefoil rosette was also known in Holland as the 'kleeblatt', and was at various times used as a makers mark in Solingen as well as a motif in inscriptions and invocations. In Holland, it may have been a kind of acceptance mark or as before, an emphatic device used along with invocations, inscriptions or perhaps with key dates, as I have been trying to determine with these VOC examples. Thank you for the response Jim, and I hope you do continue the appreciation of these historic weapons, as I know I have for many years. They always have stories to tell!! All the best, Jim