hidden room 2 - captured arms

wolviex · 17th June 2005, 09:59 PM

Brian: as far as I know, there will also in Paris great Persian exhibition in 2007. There is a chance there will be objects from my museum as well, because I was asked for some of them.

If you mentioned the influence of Turkish helmets on Hungarian and Polish ones, it is worth of mentione, that those were of the conical shape. Some of them were made as a tournament or for parade purposes in Germany as well, just like one from my museum, made in Nurnberg. And by the way - Polish classical hussar zischagge is very similiar to those Turkish helmets presented on your pictures

. But this is off-topic.

Aqtai · 17th June 2005, 10:12 PM

Thanks for those pics Brian. I see you found the helmet i was talking about.

That exhibition on Early Islamic armour in Paris sounds fascinating, however I can't see my wife agrreing to me disappearing to paris for a weekend. I never even got to see the Turks! exhibition at the RA, and that was only in london.

Wolviex, there is no doubt that the Ottomans did have a strong influence on Polish, Hungarian and Russian armour. I have noticed that The decoration on Polish shishaks/chichaks/zischagges however is more European and quite distinct from the Turkish helmets.

wolviex · 17th June 2005, 11:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aqtai

Wolviex, there is no doubt that the Ottomans did have a strong influence on Polish, Hungarian and Russian armour. I have noticed that The decoration on Polish shishaks/chichaks/zischagges however is more European and quite distinct from the Turkish helmets.

yes it is, no doubt, especially when we are talking about hussars armament, you can find there strictly Polish decoration and some features. But the shape, overall, is very similiar. 1st pic is the Hungarian type zischagge from German workshop, I have mentioned in the post above, 2nd is the hussars zischagge - compare its shape with the Brian's just posted pics. This one unfortunatelly is quite late, because from the 18th century, so 100 years after the "classical period", but suprisingly it is in classical shape, what was uncommon in those days.

Regards

B.I · 17th June 2005, 11:50 PM

michal,
they are great examples that you show. the german helmet has the mail attached, as we discussed earlier.
reminds me of the ernst schmidt story about hussar helmets :-)
aqtai,
i have never met a woman yet that would turn down a trip to paris, even if it meant sacrificing a day in a boring old museum.
the turks exhibition in the RA was stunning. i got there twice and i have never been more impressed by an exhibition than i was here, both times. it had the best of the best and there was a real surprise for me, in a sword i knew well from photographs was in the 'flesh' for the first time and it was twice the size i had thought it was (mehmet 2nds sword). breathtaking!

17th June 2005, 09:59 PM	#1
wolviex Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Poland, Krakow Posts: 418	Brian: as far as I know, there will also in Paris great Persian exhibition in 2007. There is a chance there will be objects from my museum as well, because I was asked for some of them. If you mentioned the influence of Turkish helmets on Hungarian and Polish ones, it is worth of mentione, that those were of the conical shape. Some of them were made as a tournament or for parade purposes in Germany as well, just like one from my museum, made in Nurnberg. And by the way - Polish classical hussar zischagge is very similiar to those Turkish helmets presented on your pictures . But this is off-topic.

17th June 2005, 10:12 PM	#2
Aqtai Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Merseyside, UK Posts: 222	Thanks for those pics Brian. I see you found the helmet i was talking about. That exhibition on Early Islamic armour in Paris sounds fascinating, however I can't see my wife agrreing to me disappearing to paris for a weekend. I never even got to see the Turks! exhibition at the RA, and that was only in london. Wolviex, there is no doubt that the Ottomans did have a strong influence on Polish, Hungarian and Russian armour. I have noticed that The decoration on Polish shishaks/chichaks/zischagges however is more European and quite distinct from the Turkish helmets.

17th June 2005, 11:50 PM	#4
B.I Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 485	michal, they are great examples that you show. the german helmet has the mail attached, as we discussed earlier. reminds me of the ernst schmidt story about hussar helmets :-) aqtai, i have never met a woman yet that would turn down a trip to paris, even if it meant sacrificing a day in a boring old museum. the turks exhibition in the RA was stunning. i got there twice and i have never been more impressed by an exhibition than i was here, both times. it had the best of the best and there was a real surprise for me, in a sword i knew well from photographs was in the 'flesh' for the first time and it was twice the size i had thought it was (mehmet 2nds sword). breathtaking!