wood ?

asomotif · 25th September 2010, 11:16 AM

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i don't see turtle in the middle

Hi Danny,

Help me out. What is the strip in the middle of the pendok ?
is it wood ?

Sajen · 25th September 2010, 01:16 PM

The hilt material could be also kemuning, we have had a discussion about different woods but I can't find it anymore.
The small strip in the middle of the pendok seems to my eyes from wood, I have had a keris with the same strip. But Danny will tell us what it is.

Gustav · 25th September 2010, 01:56 PM

Kemuning would be the nearest choice for a hilt, the structure of the wood seems to be very tight: it shows a good age, but the details are still not bad in shape.

danny1976 · 25th September 2010, 06:35 PM

Hi Everyboby,

Thanks for the replay,s on the wood!
I did clean the hilt a little better and it has a nice old patin.

About the strip , it,s from wood , i thougt it was turtle when i saw it for sale.. but the wood looks nice also.

About the pendok, i think it might be oxadation after all, i did try to clean it with alcohol but it stays the same , so i,m not sure what to do , clean it of or leave it like this , if it is kind of polish/lacker i prefer to let it on .
But i.m not sure , please advice ??

Sorry Willem

Regards,

Danny

sirek · 25th September 2010, 07:18 PM

Mine opinion about the wood used for the wranka is:

SPALTED TAMARIND - (Tamarindus indica) Also called Tamarin.
(text from the net)
Spalted Tamarind is a beautiful wood from Laos, Southeast Asia.
Much of this wood comes from logs that were either found on the forest floor or were cut and then allowed to spalt in the very damp warm conditions of the jungle. The colors and various line patterns are truly unique from one piece to another. Heartwood has a spectacular back ground colors of ivory, yellow, and black lines, which gives this such unpredictable landscape effect.

My guess about the pendok discoloration is that he had once been exposed by any acid / salty influence, that gives copper a brownish color.
But it may also be that this chemical is produced and then coated.

I would leave it as is but that's my opinion, and if you do not like it then you polish.

asomotif · 25th September 2010, 07:47 PM

Hi Danny,

Are those light spots on the pendok scratches ?
In case they are scratches, I would clean the pendok with copper polish.

It is nice if a keris shows some age, but and oxidised and scratched pendok is not very nice in my opinion.
I have a keris silver pendok and one with a gold plated pendok.
Both will turn black in time, so from time time to time I do clean them a bit.
No abrassives neede for that by the way. just a cotton cloth.

Best regards,
Willem

Sajen · 25th September 2010, 08:46 PM

I am with Willem, I think what we see are scratches and in this case I would prefer to clean the pendok. BTW, I have had pendoks so heavy oxidized that I have to clean them with metal polish many times until they look good again. I will look for examples and will take some pics.

A. G. Maisey · 25th September 2010, 11:04 PM

I am not going to give an opinion on the wood in either the hilt or the wrongko, because working from a photograph it is absolutely impossible for me to perform the examination needed to come to a supportable opinion.

However, in respect of the pendok. If this keris were to be cleaned up for sale or use in Jawa, the pendok would be removed and soaked for a few hours in household vinegar. This would remove most of the tarnish. It would then be polished with a metal polish.

When I need to polish an old pendok I use 0000 steel wool and a good quality German metal polish that is used for mag wheels and chrome work on cars, then finish by buffing with a soft cloth.

25th September 2010, 07:18 PM	#5
sirek Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 170	Mine opinion about the wood used for the wranka is: SPALTED TAMARIND - (Tamarindus indica) Also called Tamarin. (text from the net) Spalted Tamarind is a beautiful wood from Laos, Southeast Asia. Much of this wood comes from logs that were either found on the forest floor or were cut and then allowed to spalt in the very damp warm conditions of the jungle. The colors and various line patterns are truly unique from one piece to another. Heartwood has a spectacular back ground colors of ivory, yellow, and black lines, which gives this such unpredictable landscape effect. My guess about the pendok discoloration is that he had once been exposed by any acid / salty influence, that gives copper a brownish color. But it may also be that this chemical is produced and then coated. I would leave it as is but that's my opinion, and if you do not like it then you polish. Attached Images

25th September 2010, 01:16 PM	#2
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,212	The hilt material could be also kemuning, we have had a discussion about different woods but I can't find it anymore. The small strip in the middle of the pendok seems to my eyes from wood, I have had a keris with the same strip. But Danny will tell us what it is.

25th September 2010, 01:56 PM	#3
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,280	Kemuning would be the nearest choice for a hilt, the structure of the wood seems to be very tight: it shows a good age, but the details are still not bad in shape.

25th September 2010, 06:35 PM	#4
danny1976 Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Holland Posts: 245	Hi Everyboby, Thanks for the replay,s on the wood! I did clean the hilt a little better and it has a nice old patin. About the strip , it,s from wood , i thougt it was turtle when i saw it for sale.. but the wood looks nice also. About the pendok, i think it might be oxadation after all, i did try to clean it with alcohol but it stays the same , so i,m not sure what to do , clean it of or leave it like this , if it is kind of polish/lacker i prefer to let it on . But i.m not sure , please advice ?? Sorry Willem Regards, Danny

25th September 2010, 07:47 PM	#6
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,235	Hi Danny, Are those light spots on the pendok scratches ? In case they are scratches, I would clean the pendok with copper polish. It is nice if a keris shows some age, but and oxidised and scratched pendok is not very nice in my opinion. I have a keris silver pendok and one with a gold plated pendok. Both will turn black in time, so from time time to time I do clean them a bit. No abrassives neede for that by the way. just a cotton cloth. Best regards, Willem

25th September 2010, 08:46 PM	#7
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,212	I am with Willem, I think what we see are scratches and in this case I would prefer to clean the pendok. BTW, I have had pendoks so heavy oxidized that I have to clean them with metal polish many times until they look good again. I will look for examples and will take some pics.

25th September 2010, 11:04 PM	#8
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,015	I am not going to give an opinion on the wood in either the hilt or the wrongko, because working from a photograph it is absolutely impossible for me to perform the examination needed to come to a supportable opinion. However, in respect of the pendok. If this keris were to be cleaned up for sale or use in Jawa, the pendok would be removed and soaked for a few hours in household vinegar. This would remove most of the tarnish. It would then be polished with a metal polish. When I need to polish an old pendok I use 0000 steel wool and a good quality German metal polish that is used for mag wheels and chrome work on cars, then finish by buffing with a soft cloth.