Keris Betok on Ebay

Rick · 16th September 2010, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by mykeris

Loud & clear, David. Rgrds, Mykeris

On the second thought, what is wrong with this keris David? Is it contradicting the standard buda form or fake material or .....somethig else? Some awesome faking samples would be good to see. Pls advise me, thanks in advance.

The problem is that by discussing the whys and hows the Forger is educated right along with the Members .

Alam Shah · 17th September 2010, 03:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Rick

The problem is that by discussing the whys and hows the Forger is educated right along with the Members .

Precisely, why some members are reluctant to impart knowledge or indicators regarding identifying forgeries in an open forum. This type of info is best kept in private discussions..

I was told that part of the reason why a keris betok, buda might be highly sought after, may be due to its supposedly having properties suitable to be used as a 'keris tindih', sort of a 'suppressant' keris to keep negative vibes from other kerises in check. Whether it is true or not, that's another story..

A. G. Maisey · 17th September 2010, 04:02 AM

Like many things in the keris belief system, Shahrial, if you believe it, its true.

mykeris · 17th September 2010, 04:22 AM

'big-name people have been fooled, including the biggest, most influential and most knowledgeable.'

Yes, you and I could be fooled too. Note: How sure are you on your budas, Alan? It could be fooled again!

A. G. Maisey · 17th September 2010, 04:52 AM

I bought my first keris buda in about 1970 or 1972.

I started to study them seriously in about 1980.

Apart from experience in handling both genuine and non-genuine KB's I have put together a fairly comprehensive file on KB's, including the indicators for falsification and the indicators for genuine, and the people who are known in the trade for either presenting or creating falsifications of KB's.

Yes, I could be fooled again, but not easily, and not in negatives, but only in positives. What I mean by this is that a KB could be presented to me that I mistook for genuine, when in fact it was not, however, a KB that I identified as not genuine I would be very confident was not genuine.

mykeris · 17th September 2010, 05:19 AM

Noted and Thanks Alan. Well said. Regards, Mykeris.

PenangsangII · 17th September 2010, 09:42 AM

for somebody who is technically very less knowledgeable like me, the other option would be "tayuh" by very respectable "penayuh" esp on blade that I suspect as fake or even new very well made keris (artificially aged).

But then again, some dealers manage to imbue "isian" by getting helps from some kyai or bomoh

17th September 2010, 04:02 AM	#3
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,059	Like many things in the keris belief system, Shahrial, if you believe it, its true.

17th September 2010, 04:22 AM	#4
mykeris Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 278	'big-name people have been fooled, including the biggest, most influential and most knowledgeable.' Yes, you and I could be fooled too. Note: How sure are you on your budas, Alan? It could be fooled again!

17th September 2010, 04:52 AM	#5
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,059	I bought my first keris buda in about 1970 or 1972. I started to study them seriously in about 1980. Apart from experience in handling both genuine and non-genuine KB's I have put together a fairly comprehensive file on KB's, including the indicators for falsification and the indicators for genuine, and the people who are known in the trade for either presenting or creating falsifications of KB's. Yes, I could be fooled again, but not easily, and not in negatives, but only in positives. What I mean by this is that a KB could be presented to me that I mistook for genuine, when in fact it was not, however, a KB that I identified as not genuine I would be very confident was not genuine.

17th September 2010, 05:19 AM	#6
mykeris Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 278	Noted and Thanks Alan. Well said. Regards, Mykeris.

17th September 2010, 09:42 AM	#7
PenangsangII Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 401	for somebody who is technically very less knowledgeable like me, the other option would be "tayuh" by very respectable "penayuh" esp on blade that I suspect as fake or even new very well made keris (artificially aged). But then again, some dealers manage to imbue "isian" by getting helps from some kyai or bomoh