Please help ID these spears

Clubs & Arrows · 3rd September 2010, 03:52 PM

Rick,
When I purchased this from the previous owner's estate, I did also pick up a Nias stool, so it is possible. One of the problems is that when I purchased the spear, it was along with a lot of Philippine, Oceanic, African, and other Southeast Asian material. Kind of an ethnographic mixed bag. I'll certainly start looking towards Nias to see if I can find anything similar.

Thanks again,
Joe

Henk · 4th September 2010, 06:45 AM

I cann't get rid of the idea this one is Phillipine.

Rick · 4th September 2010, 06:52 AM

It's tempting to do so Henk .
Me, I'm just not sure .
The blade looks like it has been ritually washed a few times .
I'm seeing a topographic surface on this blade .

Henk · 4th September 2010, 10:22 AM

I can imagine Rick. You mentioned before you see pamor on the blade. I tried to discover if i could see the same, maybe it is pamor indeed but i thought it were more forging lines of folding of the metal during forging. I also see some rustspurs. Only in the middle of the blade i see something, but in my opinion that is more twistcore. The blade is in my opinion more comparable with a Moro Budiak.
I cann't see the spurs of ritual washing of this blade on the pics. For me this is a blade i have to hold in my hands to give a good comment.
Fact is it is a beauty and very nice to discuss.

kai · 5th September 2010, 03:16 AM

I'm pretty sure, the larger one is not Moro - the flow of lines doesn't seem to fit...

Regards,
Kai

asomotif · 7th September 2010, 11:53 PM

Quote:

I'm pretty sure, the larger one is not Moro - the flow of lines doesn't seem to fit...

My feeling on the large lance head is Sumatra.
The hexagonal base makes me think of Atjeh. same as the outer line of the blade. The tang is a problem. Normally Atjeh or Sumatra spears have a round tappering tang with a twist near the end. and not this square type without the twist.

Maybe some mix bewteen Nias and Sumatra/ Atjeh influences ?

I have another strange spearhead for discussion.
Will open another thread in order not to confuse this one even more

Best regards,
Willem

3rd September 2010, 03:52 PM	#1
Clubs & Arrows Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: San Gabriel Foothills, Southern California Posts: 94	Rick, When I purchased this from the previous owner's estate, I did also pick up a Nias stool, so it is possible. One of the problems is that when I purchased the spear, it was along with a lot of Philippine, Oceanic, African, and other Southeast Asian material. Kind of an ethnographic mixed bag. I'll certainly start looking towards Nias to see if I can find anything similar. Thanks again, Joe

4th September 2010, 06:45 AM	#2
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	I cann't get rid of the idea this one is Phillipine.

4th September 2010, 06:52 AM	#3
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,348	It's tempting to do so Henk . Me, I'm just not sure . The blade looks like it has been ritually washed a few times . I'm seeing a topographic surface on this blade .

4th September 2010, 10:22 AM	#4
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	I can imagine Rick. You mentioned before you see pamor on the blade. I tried to discover if i could see the same, maybe it is pamor indeed but i thought it were more forging lines of folding of the metal during forging. I also see some rustspurs. Only in the middle of the blade i see something, but in my opinion that is more twistcore. The blade is in my opinion more comparable with a Moro Budiak. I cann't see the spurs of ritual washing of this blade on the pics. For me this is a blade i have to hold in my hands to give a good comment. Fact is it is a beauty and very nice to discuss.

5th September 2010, 03:16 AM	#5
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,255	I'm pretty sure, the larger one is not Moro - the flow of lines doesn't seem to fit... Regards, Kai