Maces, Clubs & Others

lionzden · 25th August 2010, 10:52 AM

woah trajan chum, friend, my old pal you got good taste!

any indian maces weighing you down, feel free to let me lighten your load

laEspadaAncha · 25th August 2010, 04:47 PM

No kidding, eh? Impressive collection, Trajan!

It amazes me how varied the expression of form became on the Indian subcontinent... I especially like the large, spiral-flanged example.

It would seem that by concentrating the mass at the striking end, the thin-flanged examples allowed for a chopping/slashing utility comparable to an edged weapon... Whereas a hilt-biased tulwar was unlikely to cut through a kulah khud, a mace with blade-like flanges stood a greater chance at penetrating armor.

trajan · 25th August 2010, 07:23 PM

Correct--some of the flanged ones are like tapered blades other are quite thick.

Arsenal-- I noticed you posted 2 late 19th-early 20th century devil head maces. Here are a few more to look at.

The ones with the cup representing shoulders are more of a "grand Tour" item from the late 19th-early 20th century.

here are a couple of bull head pieces--a standard example and a huge more ornate processional one.

Antique Arsenal · 26th August 2010, 12:34 AM

Trajan this is very impressive collection of maces you have. You did mention that “maces with the cup representing shoulders are more of a "grand Tour" item from the late 19th-early 20th century”. What about the ones without the cup?? Are they earlier? I would love to find out how to distinguish the periods of Indo-Persian maces.
Also, since you such a big fan of Indo-Persian maces may be you can tell me something about the 1st peace I posted from my personal collection. Although I think it is not an actual mace but rather a horsetail standard for an officer.

Tim Simmons · 26th August 2010, 05:31 PM

Here is one a couple of chums and myself made a few years back for a central Asian republic. Siver gilt, I only made the modelled bits. I cannot remeber the exact size but pretty much the same length as laEspadaAncha's Indian mace.

Antique Arsenal · 26th August 2010, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Tim Simmons

Here is one a couple of chums and myself made a few years back for a central Asian republic. Siver gilt, I only made the modelled bits. I cannot remeber the exact size but pretty much the same length as laEspadaAncha's Indian mace.

This is very impressive. You are real master of your craft. Thanks for showing it

Thanks,
Aleks

Tim Simmons · 27th August 2010, 06:53 PM

Thank you

, enough of boasting and pulling back from state regalia to items members are more likely to be able to afford. Even though this is European I had to have it. The Northern Nigerian chief pictured here must be class 4 or 3 as his mace is a little longer and has a small mace head on the top of the main one. Although not the finest work {I would expect} the crown and the lion and unicorn royal arms are hand repouse chased pieces.

P.S. having said that, perhaps the royal cypher is more important than the double mace head. Also so often with personal rank regalia, less is more?

P.P.S, Northern Nigeria protecterate lasted from 1900 -1914 being politically united with Southern Nigeria.

trajan · 30th August 2010, 07:16 PM

Sorry I can't help you with the horsehair piece Arsenal. I've not encountered a similar piece and my reference books had nothing as well.

as to the figural maces, there is a bull with cup as well that is of similar quality of the other cup pieces from late 19th century-early 20th century . The ones without cup are earlier.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antique Arsenal

Trajan this is very impressive collection of maces you have. You did mention that “maces with the cup representing shoulders are more of a "grand Tour" item from the late 19th-early 20th century”. What about the ones without the cup?? Are they earlier? I would love to find out how to distinguish the periods of Indo-Persian maces.
Also, since you such a big fan of Indo-Persian maces may be you can tell me something about the 1st peace I posted from my personal collection. Although I think it is not an actual mace but rather a horsetail standard for an officer.

Antique Arsenal · 30th August 2010, 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trajan

Sorry I can't help you with the horsehair piece Arsenal. I've not encountered a similar piece and my reference books had nothing as well.

as to the figural maces, there is a bull with cup as well that is of similar quality of the other cup pieces from late 19th century-early 20th century . The ones without cup are earlier.

Thank you Trajan. This information is very useful.
Thanks,
Aleks

Tim Simmons · 30th August 2010, 08:36 PM

Do you mean the thing with dolphins and a lion head and a cheurb? face?

If so I have no idea what it is. Is it martial? it is showy. It looks like bone? carved like a hoof at the end? Dolphins do not strike as an image of universal military borish bombast.

Perhaps something to do with the church?

25th August 2010, 07:23 PM	#3
trajan Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 68	maces Correct--some of the flanged ones are like tapered blades other are quite thick. Arsenal-- I noticed you posted 2 late 19th-early 20th century devil head maces. Here are a few more to look at. The ones with the cup representing shoulders are more of a "grand Tour" item from the late 19th-early 20th century. here are a couple of bull head pieces--a standard example and a huge more ornate processional one.

26th August 2010, 12:34 AM	#4
Antique Arsenal Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 35	Maces and Horsetail Standards Trajan this is very impressive collection of maces you have. You did mention that “maces with the cup representing shoulders are more of a "grand Tour" item from the late 19th-early 20th century”. What about the ones without the cup?? Are they earlier? I would love to find out how to distinguish the periods of Indo-Persian maces. Also, since you such a big fan of Indo-Persian maces may be you can tell me something about the 1st peace I posted from my personal collection. Although I think it is not an actual mace but rather a horsetail standard for an officer.

26th August 2010, 05:31 PM	#5
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,924	Blow man ! Blow your horn ! Here is one a couple of chums and myself made a few years back for a central Asian republic. Siver gilt, I only made the modelled bits. I cannot remeber the exact size but pretty much the same length as laEspadaAncha's Indian mace. Attached Images

27th August 2010, 06:53 PM	#7
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,924	Thank you , enough of boasting and pulling back from state regalia to items members are more likely to be able to afford. Even though this is European I had to have it. The Northern Nigerian chief pictured here must be class 4 or 3 as his mace is a little longer and has a small mace head on the top of the main one. Although not the finest work {I would expect} the crown and the lion and unicorn royal arms are hand repouse chased pieces. P.S. having said that, perhaps the royal cypher is more important than the double mace head. Also so often with personal rank regalia, less is more? P.P.S, Northern Nigeria protecterate lasted from 1900 -1914 being politically united with Southern Nigeria. Attached Images Last edited by Tim Simmons; 27th August 2010 at 08:26 PM.

30th August 2010, 08:36 PM	#10
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,924	Do you mean the thing with dolphins and a lion head and a cheurb? face? If so I have no idea what it is. Is it martial? it is showy. It looks like bone? carved like a hoof at the end? Dolphins do not strike as an image of universal military borish bombast. Perhaps something to do with the church? Last edited by Tim Simmons; 30th August 2010 at 08:58 PM.

25th August 2010, 10:52 AM	#1
lionzden Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 51	woah trajan chum, friend, my old pal you got good taste! any indian maces weighing you down, feel free to let me lighten your load

25th August 2010, 04:47 PM	#2
laEspadaAncha Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 608	No kidding, eh? Impressive collection, Trajan! It amazes me how varied the expression of form became on the Indian subcontinent... I especially like the large, spiral-flanged example. It would seem that by concentrating the mass at the striking end, the thin-flanged examples allowed for a chopping/slashing utility comparable to an edged weapon... Whereas a hilt-biased tulwar was unlikely to cut through a kulah khud, a mace with blade-like flanges stood a greater chance at penetrating armor.