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kulbuntet · 12th August 2010, 04:53 AM

Here 3 more

Jawa state keris Solo

Sumatra state Keris 1

Sumatra state Keris 2

All the pics are bit big..so thats why the links and not the complete images,

Reagrds

ganjawulung · 12th August 2010, 03:17 PM

Dear Michel AbdulRahman Van 't Hoff,

Really, excellent collections of Tropenmuseum. Thanks a lot, for your kindness. A couple of almost similar kerises you may see also at the collection of Museum Gajah, or National Museum of Jakarta in Indonesia. (Some of the Sumatran kerises now are exhibited at Singapore Civilization Museum, until October 2010. I think Kai Wee and Alamshah could tell us, the "Sumatran Exhibition" there too...)

Really like to see the Tropenmuseum collection, soon....

GANJAWULUNG

kulbuntet · 13th August 2010, 12:05 AM

Dear Ganja,

No problem, your welcome. I hope the other forumites also like the big pics.

Did you read my replie on Facebook? I wil send you my adress and
phone number.

The thing is maybe like other museums too, the Tropenmuseum only have maybe 1 to 2% of what they have on display in the museum. Personaly i totaly disslike that, but what have i to say about that?

regards,

Ab

Battara · 13th August 2010, 03:32 AM

Kulbuntet thank you for those great (big) pictures. Great detail.

Gangawulung - I look forward to your pictures of these great pieces and more.

ganjawulung · 13th August 2010, 08:08 PM

Yes, Battara,
I hope I can do as Michel and Rasjid did, take photos of the Tropenmuseum collections soon... Hoping too, that the Knaud kris is still exhibited there

David · 14th August 2010, 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ganjawulung

Yes, Battara,
I hope I can do as Michel and Rasjid did, take photos of the Tropenmuseum collections soon... Hoping too, that the Knaud kris is still exhibited there

Just in case it's not on display...

ganjawulung · 15th August 2010, 11:11 AM

Thanks, David,

I found interesting story on this interesting Charles Knaud's kris... The images of "wayang" in the bottom part of the blade reminds me to some reliefs of Sukuh and Cetho temples in the eastern part of Solo, Central Java. The specific wayang reliefs dated back to the end of Majapahit era...

On Sukuh Temple or Candi Sukuh http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candi_Sukuh
On Sukuh Reliefs http://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candi_Sukuh
On Cetho Temple of Candi Cetho http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candi_Cetho
On Tantric Buddhism influence http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vajraya...Southeast_Asia
On Knaud kris as David just posted http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...86046-1%29.jpg

GANJAWULUNG

kulbuntet · 18th August 2010, 03:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Battara

Kulbuntet thank you for those great (big) pictures. Great detail.

Gangawulung - I look forward to your pictures of these great pieces and more.

no problem, your welcome! The museum is at the end of street were i live. :P

regards Ab

ferrylaki · 20th August 2010, 04:33 AM

thank you every body for these links. I found so many beautifull pictures. there are so many great collection in Tropenmuseum Amsterdam. fantastic!!!
Mr. Ganjawulung,I'm looking forward for your photos. I'll be waiting for you in Jakarta.

Jean · 21st August 2010, 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ganjawulung

Really like to see the Tropenmuseum collection, soon....

GANJAWULUNG

Dear Pak Ganja,

I advise you to also visit the Ethnographic Museum in Leiden if you have time. They also have nice kris collections.
Best regards
Jean

ganjawulung · 22nd August 2010, 03:00 AM

@ferry, thanks for the attention. With pleasure, I will share with you the fotos in Jakarta...
@Jean, yes, it was on my mind too. But due to my limited duration of stay in Holland this time (most of the time in Den Haag and Amsterdam), I am afraid I could not go there... Anyway, thanks for the info Jean.

GANJAWULUNG

Henk · 22nd August 2010, 10:47 AM

Ganjawulung,

How long do you stay here in Holland? Traveling from city to city doesn't take much time here. After all Holland is a small country. Japanese tourists do Europe in 2 weeks and Holland in 1 day

ganjawulung · 23rd August 2010, 04:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Henk

....After all Holland is a small country. Japanese tourists do Europe in 2 weeks and Holland in 1 day

Not as that small Henk, I think... Eight days, but with quite a lot of activities. I don't know yet, if I have much free time to "keris sight seing' in Holland. Tomorrow, hopefully will be there. Thanks Henk. I will contact Michel Ab (kulbuntet), Marcel (Max) and you as soon as I am in Holland...

GANJAWULUNG

ganjawulung · 29th August 2010, 01:46 AM

Yes,

The collections of kerises on display at Tropenmuseum, are really great. Although -- according to a source -- only about 5 persen among tens of museum's collection are on display. And yes, one of the most unique piece is the Knaught keris on the first floor...

Unfortunately, one of the best known keris museum curator Mr David van Duuren is not there anymore since two months ago. The museum said, Mr Van Duuren has been retired from his old job. I could not find or contact this gentleman.

Thanks to you, Hans Voys (the silent member of this warung?) for helping me to get there, and of course to Kulbuntet or Michel AbdulRahman Van't Hoff who are staying not far from the museum...

GANJAWULUNG

15th August 2010, 11:11 AM	#7
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	KNAUD Kris Thanks, David, I found interesting story on this interesting Charles Knaud's kris... The images of "wayang" in the bottom part of the blade reminds me to some reliefs of Sukuh and Cetho temples in the eastern part of Solo, Central Java. The specific wayang reliefs dated back to the end of Majapahit era... On Sukuh Temple or Candi Sukuh http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candi_Sukuh On Sukuh Reliefs http://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candi_Sukuh On Cetho Temple of Candi Cetho http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candi_Cetho On Tantric Buddhism influence http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vajraya...Southeast_Asia On Knaud kris as David just posted http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...86046-1%29.jpg GANJAWULUNG Last edited by ganjawulung; 15th August 2010 at 02:59 PM.

12th August 2010, 04:53 AM	#1
kulbuntet Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Amsterdam, Netherlands Posts: 159	Here 3 more Jawa state keris Solo Sumatra state Keris 1 Sumatra state Keris 2 All the pics are bit big..so thats why the links and not the complete images, Reagrds

12th August 2010, 03:17 PM	#2
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	Dear Michel AbdulRahman Van 't Hoff, Really, excellent collections of Tropenmuseum. Thanks a lot, for your kindness. A couple of almost similar kerises you may see also at the collection of Museum Gajah, or National Museum of Jakarta in Indonesia. (Some of the Sumatran kerises now are exhibited at Singapore Civilization Museum, until October 2010. I think Kai Wee and Alamshah could tell us, the "Sumatran Exhibition" there too...) Really like to see the Tropenmuseum collection, soon.... GANJAWULUNG

13th August 2010, 12:05 AM	#3
kulbuntet Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Amsterdam, Netherlands Posts: 159	Dear Ganja, No problem, your welcome. I hope the other forumites also like the big pics. Did you read my replie on Facebook? I wil send you my adress and phone number. The thing is maybe like other museums too, the Tropenmuseum only have maybe 1 to 2% of what they have on display in the museum. Personaly i totaly disslike that, but what have i to say about that? regards, Ab

13th August 2010, 03:32 AM	#4
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,346	Kulbuntet thank you for those great (big) pictures. Great detail. Gangawulung - I look forward to your pictures of these great pieces and more.

13th August 2010, 08:08 PM	#5
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	Yes, Battara, I hope I can do as Michel and Rasjid did, take photos of the Tropenmuseum collections soon... Hoping too, that the Knaud kris is still exhibited there

20th August 2010, 04:33 AM	#9
ferrylaki Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 285	thank you every body for these links. I found so many beautifull pictures. there are so many great collection in Tropenmuseum Amsterdam. fantastic!!! Mr. Ganjawulung,I'm looking forward for your photos. I'll be waiting for you in Jakarta.

22nd August 2010, 03:00 AM	#11
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	@ferry, thanks for the attention. With pleasure, I will share with you the fotos in Jakarta... @Jean, yes, it was on my mind too. But due to my limited duration of stay in Holland this time (most of the time in Den Haag and Amsterdam), I am afraid I could not go there... Anyway, thanks for the info Jean. GANJAWULUNG

22nd August 2010, 10:47 AM	#12
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	Ganjawulung, How long do you stay here in Holland? Traveling from city to city doesn't take much time here. After all Holland is a small country. Japanese tourists do Europe in 2 weeks and Holland in 1 day

29th August 2010, 01:46 AM	#14
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	Yes, The collections of kerises on display at Tropenmuseum, are really great. Although -- according to a source -- only about 5 persen among tens of museum's collection are on display. And yes, one of the most unique piece is the Knaught keris on the first floor... Unfortunately, one of the best known keris museum curator Mr David van Duuren is not there anymore since two months ago. The museum said, Mr Van Duuren has been retired from his old job. I could not find or contact this gentleman. Thanks to you, Hans Voys (the silent member of this warung?) for helping me to get there, and of course to Kulbuntet or Michel AbdulRahman Van't Hoff who are staying not far from the museum... GANJAWULUNG