traditional weapons??

Jim McDougall · 11th August 2010, 07:01 PM

You're most welcome Prichardus, and glad we could be of help. I thought your questions were well placed and that you might have wanted a bit more detail, so spent a bit of time putting that together for you.
Any time you have items that come to your attention that you would like information on, please feel free to show them here......it gives me something to do

and by all means, my pleasure.

Dmitry · 11th August 2010, 08:06 PM

The "fruit fork"-like piece is described as mezraq or mizraq in Tirri's book.

Jim McDougall · 11th August 2010, 08:49 PM

Thank you Dmitry!!! I knew there was somebody still out there!!!

You truly are a good sort, and you are great at adding pertinant detail. While we cannot know if this information was at all useful to the originator of this thread, I know I appreciate that information and will add it to notes.

These forks are truly interesting, and I have often wondered if they might have some subtle part in the origination of the Zhu l' Fiqar sword blades.
In the Persian shamshir versions, they are close parallel forks very much like these and on the military forks of Europe.

Thank you very much for answering Dmitry,
All the best,
Jim

Philip · 12th August 2010, 08:19 AM

Many of these all-metal Qajar weapons with etched blades were also used as props in the "passion plays" which were part of Shi'a religious festivals, particularly the dramatic spectacle depicting the martyrdom of 'Ali. In general, weapons have fairly thin, blunt blades of mediocre steel, covered all-over with ornamentation. There are also helmets and shields, again of generally insubstantial construction and workmanship which isn't exactly the pride of Persia's art heritage, but which are decorative and dramatic nonetheless.

12th August 2010, 08:19 AM	#4
Philip Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: California Posts: 1,036	those made only for show Many of these all-metal Qajar weapons with etched blades were also used as props in the "passion plays" which were part of Shi'a religious festivals, particularly the dramatic spectacle depicting the martyrdom of 'Ali. In general, weapons have fairly thin, blunt blades of mediocre steel, covered all-over with ornamentation. There are also helmets and shields, again of generally insubstantial construction and workmanship which isn't exactly the pride of Persia's art heritage, but which are decorative and dramatic nonetheless.

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Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,477	You're most welcome Prichardus, and glad we could be of help. I thought your questions were well placed and that you might have wanted a bit more detail, so spent a bit of time putting that together for you. Any time you have items that come to your attention that you would like information on, please feel free to show them here......it gives me something to do and by all means, my pleasure.

11th August 2010, 08:06 PM	#2
Dmitry Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 607	The "fruit fork"-like piece is described as mezraq or mizraq in Tirri's book.

11th August 2010, 08:49 PM	#3
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,477	Thank you Dmitry!!! I knew there was somebody still out there!!! You truly are a good sort, and you are great at adding pertinant detail. While we cannot know if this information was at all useful to the originator of this thread, I know I appreciate that information and will add it to notes. These forks are truly interesting, and I have often wondered if they might have some subtle part in the origination of the Zhu l' Fiqar sword blades. In the Persian shamshir versions, they are close parallel forks very much like these and on the military forks of Europe. Thank you very much for answering Dmitry, All the best, Jim