Keris Sundang??

MABAGANI · 17th December 2004, 03:06 PM

Bugis from my untrained eyes? I recall from photos of Indonesians practicing their martial arts with a keris that their hands were partly on the blade. As the keris gets bigger but still had round tangs, it makes sense that the trunk area is left smooth at least on a bugis keris, if fingers are wrapped around the blade to manipulate the weapon for cuts or thrusts, unless I'm seeing this wrong...

nechesh · 17th December 2004, 03:20 PM

Definitely not a sundang, either Moro or otherwise. This has all the features of an Indonesian keris and i suspect Henk is pretty close on origin, though i would leam towards Madura. Sure, it's an unusally large one, but i was always taught that size didn't matter.

ronpakis · 17th December 2004, 06:56 PM

probably like some of the others said a maduran keris. the lancet shape and also the proportions are not unusual in madura. its definitly not from any other island exept perhaps eastern java, although these are most of the times not as large as this one.

Sakhti777 · 17th December 2004, 10:07 PM

Hi Rasdan,
A nice forum. This is a keris form but a remake from old blades possibly from Madura. Not a quality kris to me but nice to look at for its size.

DAHenkel · 18th December 2004, 05:02 AM

Not a sundang and not old but probably forged in Malaysia rather than Madura. Madurese blades are much more Javanese - even when they try and forge Bugis or Malay style blades. Lots of smiths churning out fakes in Pasir Mas and Bulok Susu these days

Battara · 19th December 2004, 07:59 PM

About as Moro as my Japanese judo gi.

rasdan · 20th December 2004, 01:54 AM

Hi guys,

Thank you very much for the input. I guess this is a part and parcel of being a collector anyway.

Confusion and curiosity may lead to many strange places. If this is a newly made that means this is the second mistake i've made in 2 weeks. hehehe... emmm.. hav u guys seen the movie "a series of unfortunate events" ?

17th December 2004, 03:06 PM	#1
MABAGANI Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 221	Bugis from my untrained eyes? I recall from photos of Indonesians practicing their martial arts with a keris that their hands were partly on the blade. As the keris gets bigger but still had round tangs, it makes sense that the trunk area is left smooth at least on a bugis keris, if fingers are wrapped around the blade to manipulate the weapon for cuts or thrusts, unless I'm seeing this wrong...

17th December 2004, 03:20 PM	#2
nechesh Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 940	Definitely not a sundang, either Moro or otherwise. This has all the features of an Indonesian keris and i suspect Henk is pretty close on origin, though i would leam towards Madura. Sure, it's an unusally large one, but i was always taught that size didn't matter.

17th December 2004, 06:56 PM	#3
ronpakis Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: netherlands Posts: 75	probably like some of the others said a maduran keris. the lancet shape and also the proportions are not unusual in madura. its definitly not from any other island exept perhaps eastern java, although these are most of the times not as large as this one.

17th December 2004, 10:07 PM	#4
Sakhti777 Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Penang Posts: 14	Hi Rasdan, A nice forum. This is a keris form but a remake from old blades possibly from Madura. Not a quality kris to me but nice to look at for its size.

18th December 2004, 05:02 AM	#5
DAHenkel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 125	Not a sundang and not old but probably forged in Malaysia rather than Madura. Madurese blades are much more Javanese - even when they try and forge Bugis or Malay style blades. Lots of smiths churning out fakes in Pasir Mas and Bulok Susu these days

19th December 2004, 07:59 PM	#6
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,325	About as Moro as my Japanese judo gi.

20th December 2004, 01:54 AM	#7
rasdan Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kuala Lumpur Posts: 369	Hi guys, Thank you very much for the input. I guess this is a part and parcel of being a collector anyway. Confusion and curiosity may lead to many strange places. If this is a newly made that means this is the second mistake i've made in 2 weeks. hehehe... emmm.. hav u guys seen the movie "a series of unfortunate events" ?