A Filipino Oddity....A Pir-Rong???!!!

Battara · 17th June 2010, 03:19 AM

Actually later piras morphed into this form of blade. I would say that it is a pira with a barong hilt. The hilt does not seem Bagobo or Tboli but later Moro. The brass pierced pieces on the scabbard are Moro done in older traditional style.

Nice later Moro piece.

tom hyle · 25th June 2010, 04:35 AM

I just picked one up with a hoof-shaped handle. Ebay number will be provided when I get to it.....Sheath on mine is in style of kris sundang.

tom hyle · 25th June 2010, 04:37 AM

ebay #370390711941

Battara · 25th June 2010, 06:03 AM

Tom I'm not sure this is the same thing...

Battara · 25th June 2010, 06:07 AM

Another note: sometimes you will see a barong hilt on other Moro pieces, like for example a barong hilt on a bankung blade......

tom hyle · 25th June 2010, 11:16 AM

Battara, Can you bring over pictures of mine from ebay? Will anyone do this for us? I don't know how.
IMHO there is no such thing as a barong or kris handle as such. There is a cockatoo handle (true) and the "fully developed cockatoo" which I'm pretty sure is a flower at least on some level and the hoof and others. Kris sundang and Moro barong seem to share the same types of handles.
Mine certainly has the same curved yelmanned blade.
BTW note the squarish guard like on a Lumad sword.

Battara · 25th June 2010, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by tom hyle

Battara, Can you bring over pictures of mine from ebay? Will anyone do this for us? I don't know how.
IMHO there is no such thing as a barong or kris handle as such. There is a cockatoo handle (true) and the "fully developed cockatoo" which I'm pretty sure is a flower at least on some level and the hoof and others. Kris sundang and Moro barong seem to share the same types of handles.
Mine certainly has the same curved yelmanned blade.
BTW note the squarish guard like on a Lumad sword.

Tom,

I was unsuccessful in trying to get pictures off eprey. Sorry.

On the other note on hilt styles, I will only say that I disagree with you, though some hilts are used on others and the terminology I use is not strict but more descriptive for lack of better wording.

17th June 2010, 03:19 AM	#1
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,310	Actually later piras morphed into this form of blade. I would say that it is a pira with a barong hilt. The hilt does not seem Bagobo or Tboli but later Moro. The brass pierced pieces on the scabbard are Moro done in older traditional style. Nice later Moro piece.

25th June 2010, 04:35 AM	#2
tom hyle Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 1,254	I just picked one up with a hoof-shaped handle. Ebay number will be provided when I get to it.....Sheath on mine is in style of kris sundang.

25th June 2010, 04:37 AM	#3
tom hyle Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 1,254	ebay #370390711941

25th June 2010, 06:03 AM	#4
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,310	Tom I'm not sure this is the same thing...

25th June 2010, 06:07 AM	#5
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,310	Another note: sometimes you will see a barong hilt on other Moro pieces, like for example a barong hilt on a bankung blade......

25th June 2010, 11:16 AM	#6
tom hyle Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 1,254	Battara, Can you bring over pictures of mine from ebay? Will anyone do this for us? I don't know how. IMHO there is no such thing as a barong or kris handle as such. There is a cockatoo handle (true) and the "fully developed cockatoo" which I'm pretty sure is a flower at least on some level and the hoof and others. Kris sundang and Moro barong seem to share the same types of handles. Mine certainly has the same curved yelmanned blade. BTW note the squarish guard like on a Lumad sword.