Some Philippines kris from my collection

Battara · 17th June 2010, 04:12 AM

Nice pieces. The kris with the weird scabbard - the scabbard is new and not traditionally made.

The rattan on the other kris could use some stainig but nice work.

All the blades could use a little staining to being out the laminiations.

The one kris with the engravings has nice talismans - great engravings.

Also the one with the ivory appears to be a little older than the other 2 looking at the pommel size and the way the waves are in the blade. Perhaps early to mid - 1800s?

kai · 17th June 2010, 09:44 AM

Hello Carlos,

Thanks for posting your latest acquisitions!

I'm with Jose - the blades scream for a good cleaning, polishing, and etching job to bring out their true beauty. Could you post close-ups of the gangya area taken from directly above, please?

Do all pieces have a seperate gangya - can't see that from the pics?

What's the length of the blades?

Regards,
Kai

carlos · 17th June 2010, 10:08 AM

The kris with ivory pommel has a blade with 20,5 inc, the kris with complete cockatoa pommel has 21 inc and the kris with rattan restored has 21.5inc (blade).
I have take new picture.
thanks for the information.
carlos

Dimasalang · 17th June 2010, 09:00 PM

Sweet collection Carlos!
I need to learn how to weave.

tom hyle · 25th June 2010, 01:08 PM

The one in the middle appears to be iras ganga (no seperate ganga; "not a true kris") Are we sure it's sheath is new/innappropriate? I think it may be penninsular Malay, actually (rather than Mindinao Malay=Moro). Nice silver inlay on it, yes?

tom hyle · 25th June 2010, 01:11 PM

Nice, true cockatoo handles (not the "fully developed cockatoo" that seems to me to actually represent a plant). Especially the ivory one, which is IMHO actually the full development of the cockatoo handle, or close to it. The raised cheeks are especially a definitive feature.

Battara · 25th June 2010, 08:03 PM

Tom you may have a point when it comes to the scabbard of the middle one, being possibly Malay.

However I would still say that the piece is Moro, and the missing ganga may be hidden since this is done sometimes and not well lit.

I also disagree with you on the development of the cheeks being a recent development (if I understand you) since full cheeks also go with older pieces on say mid-1800s without the tail flare.

17th June 2010, 10:08 AM	#3
carlos Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 755	The kris with ivory pommel has a blade with 20,5 inc, the kris with complete cockatoa pommel has 21 inc and the kris with rattan restored has 21.5inc (blade). I have take new picture. thanks for the information. carlos Attached Images

25th June 2010, 01:11 PM	#6
tom hyle Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 1,254	Nice, true cockatoo handles (not the "fully developed cockatoo" that seems to me to actually represent a plant). Especially the ivory one, which is IMHO actually the full development of the cockatoo handle, or close to it. The raised cheeks are especially a definitive feature. Last edited by tom hyle; 25th June 2010 at 01:15 PM. Reason: limtting my grandiosity as to help people handle the truth

17th June 2010, 04:12 AM	#1
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,345	Nice pieces. The kris with the weird scabbard - the scabbard is new and not traditionally made. The rattan on the other kris could use some stainig but nice work. All the blades could use a little staining to being out the laminiations. The one kris with the engravings has nice talismans - great engravings. Also the one with the ivory appears to be a little older than the other 2 looking at the pommel size and the way the waves are in the blade. Perhaps early to mid - 1800s?

17th June 2010, 09:44 AM	#2
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,255	Hello Carlos, Thanks for posting your latest acquisitions! I'm with Jose - the blades scream for a good cleaning, polishing, and etching job to bring out their true beauty. Could you post close-ups of the gangya area taken from directly above, please? Do all pieces have a seperate gangya - can't see that from the pics? What's the length of the blades? Regards, Kai

17th June 2010, 09:00 PM	#4
Dimasalang Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 264	Sweet collection Carlos! I need to learn how to weave.

25th June 2010, 01:08 PM	#5
tom hyle Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 1,254	The one in the middle appears to be iras ganga (no seperate ganga; "not a true kris") Are we sure it's sheath is new/innappropriate? I think it may be penninsular Malay, actually (rather than Mindinao Malay=Moro). Nice silver inlay on it, yes?

25th June 2010, 08:03 PM	#7
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,345	Tom you may have a point when it comes to the scabbard of the middle one, being possibly Malay. However I would still say that the piece is Moro, and the missing ganga may be hidden since this is done sometimes and not well lit. I also disagree with you on the development of the cheeks being a recent development (if I understand you) since full cheeks also go with older pieces on say mid-1800s without the tail flare.