New Info on Panay Sandukos

TVV · 31st May 2010, 09:53 PM

Great information, thank you!

Battara · 31st May 2010, 11:36 PM

My understanding is the the nomenclature does not apply to the blades. I have seen the same type of blades used on both highlander and lowlander pieces. There may be nomenclature for blade types as well, but the types are shared between both peoples.

migueldiaz · 1st June 2010, 01:38 AM

hi battara, thanks for starting this thread! we sure would all like to clarify these many terms pertaining to filipino swords.

just some minor clarifications please, if i may add

-- nacho does not work for the iloilo [panay island, visayas] museum, but i understand he is one of its benefactors. and in post no. 2, those pieces are privately owned (but yes, they are truly museum-quality ones).

for everybody's info, 'bukid' in the philippines means farm/field or rural. one living in a bukid is called a 'bukidnon'. thus, bukidnon is a generic term.

'bukidnon' more popularly refers to a mindanao province (as maurice mentioned), originally exclusively inhabited by lumad peoples.

but as also mentioned, the highlanders of panay island in the visayas also call themselves bukidnon, that is, panay bukidnon.

Battara · 1st June 2010, 02:46 AM

Thank you for the corrections. Much appreciated and helpful.

And yes the sanduko or taribong always has a long nose.

ThePepperSkull · 1st June 2010, 03:38 AM

Very great stuff, Battara! My mother was from ilo ilo so learning about the region`s bladed weaponry is very interesting.

nacho · 1st June 2010, 04:27 AM

Miguel Diaz was with me at the Iloilo Museum when we interviewed the Panay Bukidnons. My advantage over him was that I could understand and speak the Bukidnon dialect -- a combination of Hiligaynon (dialect of Iloilo) and kinaray-a (dialect of towns in Central Panay). Miguel showed them pictures of different tenegres (in his iPhone) for identification.

The Panay Bukidnons used to be called Mundo. In fact the museum labels on their swords still carry this name. Mundo, meaning "wild", is no longer considered "politically correct".

migueldiaz · 1st June 2010, 06:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nacho

Miguel Diaz was with me at the Iloilo Museum when we interviewed the Panay Bukidnons. My advantage over him was that I could understand and speak the Bukidnon dialect ...

Nacho, thanks indeed for the translation, and for the most delicious food we all had at that seaside resort ... and not necessarily in that order

For some context, here and below are pictures of those wonderful Panay Bukidnon people. Second from the left is Federico Caballero, a Panay Bukidnon who is a National Folk Artist -- he can recite from memory the Panay Bukidnons' pre-colonial [pre-16th century] epic, Hinilawod. They say that it takes 3 days straight to recite the saga.

And then 4th (or 5th?) from the left is Federico's brother who is a panday [blacksmith, and pronounced pun-DIE].

31st May 2010, 09:53 PM	#1
TVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,724	Great information, thank you!

31st May 2010, 11:36 PM	#2
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,342	My understanding is the the nomenclature does not apply to the blades. I have seen the same type of blades used on both highlander and lowlander pieces. There may be nomenclature for blade types as well, but the types are shared between both peoples.

1st June 2010, 01:38 AM	#3
migueldiaz Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Manila, Phils. Posts: 1,042	hi battara, thanks for starting this thread! we sure would all like to clarify these many terms pertaining to filipino swords. just some minor clarifications please, if i may add -- nacho does not work for the iloilo [panay island, visayas] museum, but i understand he is one of its benefactors. and in post no. 2, those pieces are privately owned (but yes, they are truly museum-quality ones). for everybody's info, 'bukid' in the philippines means farm/field or rural. one living in a bukid is called a 'bukidnon'. thus, bukidnon is a generic term. 'bukidnon' more popularly refers to a mindanao province (as maurice mentioned), originally exclusively inhabited by lumad peoples. but as also mentioned, the highlanders of panay island in the visayas also call themselves bukidnon, that is, panay bukidnon.

1st June 2010, 02:46 AM	#4
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,342	Thank you for the corrections. Much appreciated and helpful. And yes the sanduko or taribong always has a long nose.

1st June 2010, 03:38 AM	#5
ThePepperSkull Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 338	Very great stuff, Battara! My mother was from ilo ilo so learning about the region`s bladed weaponry is very interesting.

1st June 2010, 04:27 AM	#6
nacho Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Makati Posts: 69	Miguel Diaz was with me at the Iloilo Museum when we interviewed the Panay Bukidnons. My advantage over him was that I could understand and speak the Bukidnon dialect -- a combination of Hiligaynon (dialect of Iloilo) and kinaray-a (dialect of towns in Central Panay). Miguel showed them pictures of different tenegres (in his iPhone) for identification. The Panay Bukidnons used to be called Mundo. In fact the museum labels on their swords still carry this name. Mundo, meaning "wild", is no longer considered "politically correct".