Four interesting Atjeh Peurises!

[Maurice]

Originally Posted by freebooter

Beautiful Maurice :-)

Antique shields from most cultures are beautiful and rare items.
I do like the variety to have obtained greatly. My study of the weapons I bought from Kelling Hall have certainly created a personal interest in Sumatran items and I am enjoying viewing these pieces.
As noted, cloth of these shields is very rarely seen these days but looking at the darker shield, it does not look like cloth...what covers it?
Thank you for sharing and I look forward to more discussion on these items.

Gav

Thanks Gav,

Because of your Kelling Hall collection my interest was growing and growing. And when I got the little shield covered with coton, which is coming out of the depot of the Nijmeegs Volkenkundig museum, I decided to collect more Atjeh pieces...

The darker shield is also covered in cloth (from the frontside, the back is all gone and the ratan is only there).
It could be that the cloth was lighter in colour once, but got so dark because of dirt and dust??

I read somewhere that the cloth covering these peurises used to be red or black. But I can't recall in which book I read it.

Maurice

[Gavin Nugent]

Originally Posted by Maurice

Thanks Gav,

Because of your Kelling Hall collection my interest was growing and growing. And when I got the little shield covered with coton, which is coming out of the depot of the Nijmeegs Volkenkundig museum, I decided to collect more Atjeh pieces...

The darker shield is also covered in cloth (from the frontside, the back is all gone and the ratan is only there).
It could be that the cloth was lighter in colour once, but got so dark because of dirt and dust??

I read somewhere that the cloth covering these peurises used to be red or black. But I can't recall in which book I read it.

Maurice

Your collections and history behind the items is fantastic Maurice, when something has a history attached, it does take on a whole new dimension and seeing your collection grow in the last 6 months with super quality and historically important items is facinating, keep them coming mate.
As I have found and others have noted these weapons of any type are under appreciated and under valued. Their form and function is beautiful.

Gav

[asomotif]

I guess the NBVLO cross (vierdaagse van Nijmegen) must be the most important one....

The NBVLO may be worn on militairy tenue. That is probably why it is there.
And still, 4 days of 50 kms marching with full packing. It takes some training I guess

Too bad that the medals where sold separately. the Orange Nassau Cross must have made it an expensive set.

[Maurice]

Originally Posted by asomotif

The NBVLO may be worn on militairy tenue. That is probably why it is there.
And still, 4 days of 50 kms marching with full packing. It takes some training I guess

Too bad that the medals where sold separately. the Orange Nassau Cross must have made it an expensive set.

Yes Willem, the medals and documents/photo's were not bought with the weapons.
They seemed to be too expensive and not in the line of collectingfield of the collector who bought this collection, to pay that kind of money for those..

[Maurice]

After years I think it's good to dig up this thread about Aceh shields again.

This week I found an interesting (Aceh?) shield. It's somewhat different as the Aceh shields we know of, but it has great old patina.
For instance it misses the "knob" in the middle.
Also is the edge a bit more curving upwards as seen on the usual Aceh shields.
The patina is different as the patina we see normaly on the brass shields. It has the same old patina as we also see on the old (not fake) lantaka's, and I never have found that on other brass Aceh shields, not in private collections and nor in museum collections.
When putting this shield next to the regular ones, it does look more old as the others, maybe because of the heavy patina which is on it.

The handle is made of a piece of braided ratan.
Any more input is welcome, just as other suggestions...

Thanks, Maurice

[VVV]

Beautiful deep patina!

Isn't it strange that there are so little talismanic symbols on the Aceh shields (compared with the blades)?
The only symbol I have seen is the Seal of Solomon (the hexagram-variation, aka Shield of David in the Jewish version)?

Michael

[Maurice]

Originally Posted by VVV

Beautiful deep patina!

Isn't it strange that there are so little talismanic symbols on the Aceh shields (compared with the blades)?
The only symbol I have seen is the Seal of Solomon (the hexagram-variation, aka Shield of David in the Jewish version)?

Michael

Indeed a strange thing and I never thought about it to be honest.
Also I've never read anything about it. Maybe John or Erik can tell us more about this.
I guess the blades needed "to do the job", and the shields were just side-issues?

Maurice

[asomotif]

Originally Posted by Maurice

.... It's somewhat different as the Aceh shields we know of, but it has great old patina.
For instance it misses the "knob" in the middle.
Also is the edge a bit more curving upwards as seen on the usual Aceh shields....

Maurice, nice shield.
Very nice patina. I guess it can turn out this way if it is not cleaned for 100 years.

What is the diameter + weight ?

Best regards,
Willem

[Maurice]

Originally Posted by asomotif

Maurice, nice shield.
Very nice patina. I guess it can turn out this way if it is not cleaned for 100 years.

What is the diameter + weight ?

Best regards,
Willem

Sorry Willem,

Totally missed your question here!
Uhm.... You know the answer by now. Best regards, Maurice

[Maurice]

Originally Posted by freebooter

Your collections and history behind the items is fantastic Maurice, when something has a history attached, it does take on a whole new dimension and seeing your collection grow in the last 6 months with super quality and historically important items is facinating, keep them coming mate.
As I have found and others have noted these weapons of any type are under appreciated and under valued. Their form and function is beautiful.

Gav

I am glad you like it Gav!
I also like these provenanced pieces, because you have got another feeling with the piece as otherwise.
As you can see the Bluml shield is pretty damaged, but with the provenance it is very wanted in my collection. Even more as the other one that is depicted in the book of Zonneveld which is in much better condition.

But my experiences with some other fellowcollectors are, that they are only going for the high end pieces rather than the damaged provenanced pieces.....
So that is the luck I have with grabbing them before others do who only look at its appearence....
Just like your Kelling Hall pieces, with the provenance of this sir Deterding, who was one of the most important people of the last century...
My opinion is that provenance is important, and nice to dig out as much as possible. The more you find, the more affection with the provenanced pieces.....

Maurice