PALEMBANG HILT AND KERIS

A. G. Maisey · 16th May 2010, 11:16 AM

If I owned this keris I would not be brave enough to use either of these methods, and I cannot see how sufficient heat could be applied to the blade with either method to get the tang hot enough to encourage the tang to come free.

Buy a candle.

Sajen · 16th May 2010, 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

If I owned this keris I would not be brave enough to use either of these methods, and I cannot see how sufficient heat could be applied to the blade with either method to get the tang hot enough to encourage the tang to come free.

Buy a candle.

Agree, don't capitulate.

Moshah · 17th May 2010, 02:54 AM

Wow, very risky! I really hope you to be careful

I just wonder was pak Ganja's hilt is the one called "palembang hulu burung" or was the attached pix is?

What is the difference between both (except the material difference)? I can see some similar carvings pattern there, but the style is not the same...

thanks in advance pals for letting me know...

ganjawulung · 23rd May 2010, 02:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moshah

I just wonder was pak Ganja's hilt is the one called "palembang hulu burung" or was the attached pix is?

What is the difference between both (except the material difference)? I can see some similar carvings pattern there, but the style is not the same...

Dear Moshah,
Honestly, I am not the expert on this. Just collecting. I think Shahrial (Alamshah) could explain it well.

GANJAWULUNG

DAHenkel · 23rd May 2010, 03:03 AM

Moshah - There are a lot of variations of keris hilts from South Sumatra. Pak Ganja's hilt is generally understood to be a Palembang hilt. Yours on the other hand probably comes from somewhere else in South Sumatra - I suspect Lampung. I recall a couple similar examples provenanced to Lampung anyway. However there is so little information on these areas and unless or until we find a knowledgable local collector the area will remain imperfectly understood. I was just in Palembang and visited all the main local museums but unfortunately the only weapons display - in the Sultan Mahmud Badruddin Museum - was small and included several obviously non-Palembang pieces. It was not an edifying experience...

ganjawulung · 23rd May 2010, 05:01 AM

Thanks Dave,

I've sent message to Karaeng Kesuma in facebook to join this discussion, if he won't mind. He stays in Lampung, and has a couple of Sumatran keris photo collection in his facebook...

Btw, this Palembang hilt. Could I compose it with this silver pendokok?

GANJAWULUNG

kai · 23rd May 2010, 06:52 AM

Hello Pak Ganja,

Congrats, I like the pamor!

Did perseverance do the job or how did you got the hilt off?

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Btw, this Palembang hilt. Could I compose it with this silver pendokok?

Looks perfectly fine to me. Most Palembang keris, even with lesser hilts, seem to come with silver pendokok and I was already wondering about the combination of such a finely carved ivory hilt and a fairly simple brass pendokok. Any hints from the condition of the pesi and materials utilized to fix the hulu on how old the combination might be?

Regards,
Kai

Sajen · 23rd May 2010, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ganjawulung

Thanks Dave,

I've sent message to Karaeng Kesuma in facebook to join this discussion, if he won't mind. He stays in Lampung, and has a couple of Sumatran keris photo collection in his facebook...

Btw, this Palembang hilt. Could I compose it with this silver pendokok?

GANJAWULUNG

Hello Pak Ganja,

the silver pendokok look nice with the hilt and blade. Do you want to give a warangan to the blade or you want to let it unstained?

Regards,

Detlef

Alam Shah · 23rd May 2010, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by DAHenkel

Moshah - There are a lot of variations of keris hilts from South Sumatra. Pak Ganja's hilt is generally understood to be a Palembang hilt. Yours on the other hand probably comes from somewhere else in South Sumatra - I suspect Lampung. I recall a couple similar examples provenanced to Lampung anyway. However there is so little information on these areas and unless or until we find a knowledgable local collector the area will remain imperfectly understood. I was just in Palembang and visited all the main local museums but unfortunately the only weapons display - in the Sultan Mahmud Badruddin Museum - was small and included several obviously non-Palembang pieces. It was not an edifying experience...

Hi, agreed with Dave's comments about both hilts. Palembang is a tricky place, as we know, it's a centre where many regional forms meet. There are locals in various keris/study groups, concentrating on the local forms. Karaeng Kesuma, is one such collector. There are others..

ganjawulung · 17th May 2010, 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Buy a candle.

Not succeeded yet, Alan. Not moved at all...

GANJAWULUNG

ganjawulung · 23rd May 2010, 01:59 AM

Thanks Alan, and all,

The hilt is already unfixed, and I've cleaned the blade too....

GANJAWULUNG

17th May 2010, 02:54 AM	#3
Moshah Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 171	Wow, very risky! I really hope you to be careful I just wonder was pak Ganja's hilt is the one called "palembang hulu burung" or was the attached pix is? What is the difference between both (except the material difference)? I can see some similar carvings pattern there, but the style is not the same... thanks in advance pals for letting me know... Attached Images

23rd May 2010, 05:01 AM	#6
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	Thanks Dave, I've sent message to Karaeng Kesuma in facebook to join this discussion, if he won't mind. He stays in Lampung, and has a couple of Sumatran keris photo collection in his facebook... Btw, this Palembang hilt. Could I compose it with this silver pendokok? GANJAWULUNG Attached Images

23rd May 2010, 01:59 AM	#11
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	Thanks Alan, and all, The hilt is already unfixed, and I've cleaned the blade too.... GANJAWULUNG Attached Images

16th May 2010, 11:16 AM	#1
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,048	If I owned this keris I would not be brave enough to use either of these methods, and I cannot see how sufficient heat could be applied to the blade with either method to get the tang hot enough to encourage the tang to come free. Buy a candle.

23rd May 2010, 03:03 AM	#5
DAHenkel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 125	Moshah - There are a lot of variations of keris hilts from South Sumatra. Pak Ganja's hilt is generally understood to be a Palembang hilt. Yours on the other hand probably comes from somewhere else in South Sumatra - I suspect Lampung. I recall a couple similar examples provenanced to Lampung anyway. However there is so little information on these areas and unless or until we find a knowledgable local collector the area will remain imperfectly understood. I was just in Palembang and visited all the main local museums but unfortunately the only weapons display - in the Sultan Mahmud Badruddin Museum - was small and included several obviously non-Palembang pieces. It was not an edifying experience...