Some more objects from the RDG - Keris, kaskara (?) and spears

RDGAC · 14th May 2010, 04:49 PM

Ye-es, I remembered that forum just after posting this message. I'm not sure what to do about that - perhaps part this topic and edit its title, then make a new one for the other bits in here. Anyway, I'm sure all will be well.

Incidentally, a small plaque affixed to the case in which this weapon resides (which I cleverly didn't look at earlier) states that this particular keris was presented by General Try Sutrisno, then Chief of Staff, Indonesian National Army. That'd date its presentation to between 1985 and 1993, I believe, with the A/N suggesting 1985-86.

Jim, one kaskara coming right up!

Sajen · 14th May 2010, 05:22 PM

This is a very nice balinese keris with silver (?) hilt and sheat, do you have tested it? The hilt is in wrong direction, turn it by 180 degree.

Rick · 14th May 2010, 09:01 PM

Can we break this into two separate posts fellows ?

Perhaps start a new thread in Ethno beginning with the Kaskara .
There is quite a volume of posts on Kaskara to be found in an archive search .

Leave the keris in here under our tender care .

ganjawulung · 14th May 2010, 09:45 PM

Yes,

Agree with Detlef, a Balinese Keris (Item #1). It could be a Lombok keris too. Not a javanese keris.

The warangka (sheath) type is "gayaman" (Bali) or in Lombok called as Tolang Paoq (mango seed).The name of wood motif (pelet) is Pelet Moto, or Pelet Sengareq or Pelet Bintang in Lombok depicted as scattered rice or scattered stars in the sky, and with (could be) silver scabbard.

The type of keris, is Balinese seven luks (waves), with hilt type of (silver?) Togogan -- usually depicted gods or raksasa/giant creature..

GANJAWULUNG

David · 14th May 2010, 09:48 PM

I split the thread off to the main forum Rick. Keris is here, kaskara is there.

Rick · 15th May 2010, 01:35 AM

Kewl ....

RDGAC · 17th May 2010, 04:12 PM

Ah. Thanks chaps, will turn the hilt as suggested - carefully! Is there any particular method, or any nasty surprises of which a novice ought to be warned before attempting this?

Sajen · 17th May 2010, 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RDGAC

Ah. Thanks chaps, will turn the hilt as suggested - carefully! Is there any particular method, or any nasty surprises of which a novice ought to be warned before attempting this?

The only surprise will be that the hilt is not free to move.

kulbuntet · 24th June 2010, 12:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ganjawulung

Yes,

Agree with Detlef, a Balinese Keris (Item #1). It could be a Lombok keris too. Not a javanese keris.

The warangka (sheath) type is "gayaman" (Bali) or in Lombok called as Tolang Paoq (mango seed).The name of wood motif (pelet) is Pelet Moto, or Pelet Sengareq or Pelet Bintang in Lombok depicted as scattered rice or scattered stars in the sky, and with (could be) silver scabbard.

The type of keris, is Balinese seven luks (waves), with hilt type of (silver?) Togogan -- usually depicted gods or raksasa/giant creature..

GANJAWULUNG

Mr. Ganja,
About the hulu, as far as i can see (forgive me if im wrong) the figure on the hilt has a fan in his hand. So it must be in this case be Bayu (Hindu wind god/demon).

14th May 2010, 09:45 PM	#4
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	Balinese Keris ( Item #1 ) Yes, Agree with Detlef, a Balinese Keris (Item #1). It could be a Lombok keris too. Not a javanese keris. The warangka (sheath) type is "gayaman" (Bali) or in Lombok called as Tolang Paoq (mango seed).The name of wood motif (pelet) is Pelet Moto, or Pelet Sengareq or Pelet Bintang in Lombok depicted as scattered rice or scattered stars in the sky, and with (could be) silver scabbard. The type of keris, is Balinese seven luks (waves), with hilt type of (silver?) Togogan -- usually depicted gods or raksasa/giant creature.. GANJAWULUNG

14th May 2010, 04:49 PM	#1
RDGAC Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: York, UK Posts: 167	Ye-es, I remembered that forum just after posting this message. I'm not sure what to do about that - perhaps part this topic and edit its title, then make a new one for the other bits in here. Anyway, I'm sure all will be well. Incidentally, a small plaque affixed to the case in which this weapon resides (which I cleverly didn't look at earlier) states that this particular keris was presented by General Try Sutrisno, then Chief of Staff, Indonesian National Army. That'd date its presentation to between 1985 and 1993, I believe, with the A/N suggesting 1985-86. Jim, one kaskara coming right up! Last edited by RDGAC; 14th May 2010 at 05:10 PM.

14th May 2010, 05:22 PM	#2
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,214	This is a very nice balinese keris with silver (?) hilt and sheat, do you have tested it? The hilt is in wrong direction, turn it by 180 degree.

14th May 2010, 09:01 PM	#3
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,339	Can we break this into two separate posts fellows ? Perhaps start a new thread in Ethno beginning with the Kaskara . There is quite a volume of posts on Kaskara to be found in an archive search . Leave the keris in here under our tender care .

14th May 2010, 09:48 PM	#5
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,218	I split the thread off to the main forum Rick. Keris is here, kaskara is there.

15th May 2010, 01:35 AM	#6
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,339	Kewl ....

17th May 2010, 04:12 PM	#7
RDGAC Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: York, UK Posts: 167	Ah. Thanks chaps, will turn the hilt as suggested - carefully! Is there any particular method, or any nasty surprises of which a novice ought to be warned before attempting this?