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22nd April 2010, 10:28 PM
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Need help with Khyber
Dear Forumites,
This weapon was posted on a a russian forum. While it's origin is rather mysterious, there is an interesting story. Per its owner , this weapon was brought to Russia from the UK. It was allegedly manufactured in the 1920s in Sheffield, and the Western Powers sent it to the Ismaili Centers in India and Afghanistan. From there it was presented to the members of the anti- communist Basmatch movement who at that time conducted guerilla war against Russian Communist forces. Does anyone here know anything pertinent to this story?  
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22nd April 2010, 10:46 PM
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Have you given up the chilanum thread????
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22nd April 2010, 10:53 PM
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[QUOTE = Jens Nordlunde] Вы отказались chilanum нить ????[/ QUOTE]
I am sorry for silence in theme Cillanum. To my shame I do not know English language. Only German. Therefore to me with transfer kindly helps Ariel. But, it is not convenient to me to disturb him often. Now I translate in translit and is not assured that all will be correctly translated. Once again I apologise. |
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22nd April 2010, 11:03 PM
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no apologies, please .
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24th April 2010, 01:01 PM
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Nobody saw similar knifes?
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24th April 2010, 02:08 PM
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Sorry but I can't help you, as I have never seen such a knife before.
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24th April 2010, 03:29 PM
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What I find unusual, is the re-inforced tip (armour piercing ??) for a 1920's knife..... any ideas why
 Regards David |
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24th April 2010, 04:30 PM
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I have just put a link on the European forum - maybe that will help.
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24th April 2010, 06:05 PM
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The methods of manufacture do look mid 20thC.
I find the bottom mount very reminiscent of the 'holbein' type german daggers of WW2 (looks like it doesn't match the top mount as well) and in general the knife looks like military daggers and bayonets of that era. Does it have any ordinance marks? |
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24th April 2010, 09:25 PM
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I am sorry. Has forgotten to tell. Certainly a bottom of a sheath from German dagger WW2.
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24th April 2010, 09:27 PM
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nothing to add other than it is a very good looking knife. i'd be happy to have one like it.
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25th April 2010, 03:15 AM
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Interesting.
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Agreed, please continue to post. I am always interested to know what lays in Russian collections and learn more about some of the lesser seen items you are displaying. Although the scabbard is fanciful, maybe made to local customs or taste of the regions it is said to have been shipped to, the knife based on its solid looking construction and the high shine surgical appearance of the steel, it is similar to other 'Special Forces' weapons I have seen over the years. To me it is plausible as this 'type' of weapon but its origins do remain a mystery to me. Could you please show a couple of other angles being images of the narrow edge of the scabbard. The throat has other lugs attached that I can not get a clear understanding of, perhaps this design element will tell more of the knife? An image of it sheathed would also be good as it seems to have Afghan style to it in that the scabbard looks to cover a little more than just the blade. Other indicators based on the images alone point to the scabbard fittings to be a different material and body crudely wrapped in green cloth, not something I would have expected to see come out of a factory...this points to a one off put together.......for reasons unknown. Does this knife have a useful sharp cutting edge or is it only good for stabbing? Best regards Gavin Last edited by freebooter; 25th April 2010 at 07:29 AM. |
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25th April 2010, 10:40 AM
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Интересный дизайн оболочки. Нож фиксируется в них пружина, которая цепляется за штифт на рукоятке и петля для ремня складывающиеся в платье на широкий пояс, не вынимая его из брюк. На ножнах ткани - хаки остается
Edge sharp. The thick tip, as at kattar or pesh-kabz is interesting. Not clearly what for it is necessary in 20 century Last edited by mahratt; 25th April 2010 at 11:16 AM. |
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25th April 2010, 03:25 PM
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The knife and scabbard remind me of some rare Joseph Rodgers knives I have seen only in photographs. An unmarked Joseph Rodgers knife would be very unusual, though.
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28th April 2010, 04:58 AM
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Really nobody saw a similar knife? A knife obviously factory.
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