barrels with tube fastening in 1470-80

[Spiridonov]

I have made 3D model of barrel which was most interesting for me:

[Spiridonov]

http://www.nramuseum.com/the-museum/...-ca-1350.aspx#
I think that this barrel is about 1480-90 years. Looks like barrels from Pilsen and Vienna. Please, look at the mark which is a hammer. I have seen similar mark on the barrels from museums of Vienna (Heeresgeschichtliches museum and Rustkammer). Who was the owner of this mark?

[Spiridonov]

3 beautiful barrel from Heeresgeschichtliches museum in Wienna. They all made from bronze. Length of upper barrel is about 575 mm. Calibre is about 15 mm. I don't know exactly because i have put my scale through the glass.
Michael, Do You know parameters of he upper handgonne?
p/s it looks like barrels from Bulgaria.

[Spiridonov]

else

[Spiridonov]

Barrels from one of Bulgariains museums.

[Matchlock]

Originally Posted by Spiridonov

3 beautiful barrel from Heeresgeschichtliches museum in Wienna. They all made from bronze. Length of upper barrel is about 575 mm. Calibre is about 15 mm. I don't know exactly because i have put my scale through the glass.
Michael, Do You know parameters of he upper handgonne?
p/s it looks like barrels from Bulgaria.

Hi Alexander,

I sadly do not have the measurements of these haquebuts in Vienna but I can tell you that all of them can be dated to the late 15th c. up to ca. 1500, and that all were Austrian, mostly Styrian productions made by barrelsmiths like Sebald Pögl, who also furnished pieces for other armories, e.g. those in Bulgaria and Czechia. That's why they look so similar.

Best,
Michael

[Patrick O.]

I found this between a catch of fish in the noth sea outside de river thames

[Philip]

Interesting! Is there a touchhole drilled into one side of the barrel, at the rear, that connects with the bore? Any markings? How is the smaller-diameter "stem" in back attached -- does it look like a separate piece screwed in or brazed on, or does this thing look like it was cast in one piece? Finally, what kind of alloy do you think the metal is -- bronze, brass, or just copper?

[Patrick O.]

Originally Posted by Philip

Interesting! Is there a touchhole drilled into one side of the barrel, at the rear, that connects with the bore? Any markings? How is the smaller-diameter "stem" in back attached -- does it look like a separate piece screwed in or brazed on, or does this thing look like it was cast in one piece? Finally, what kind of alloy do you think the metal is -- bronze, brass, or just copper?

Hoi Philip
Thre is a small hole at the end the last part close to the thread
Is made from bronze i thinck
As far i can see it looks made in one piece
The last part above the thread is conical made

[Patrick O.]

Originally Posted by Philip

Interesting! Is there a touchhole drilled into one side of the barrel, at the rear, that connects with the bore? Any markings? How is the smaller-diameter "stem" in back attached -- does it look like a separate piece screwed in or brazed on, or does this thing look like it was cast in one piece? Finally, what kind of alloy do you think the metal is -- bronze, brass, or just copper?

Hoi Philip
Thre is a small hole at the end the last part close to the thread
Is made from bronze i thinck
As far i can see it looks made in one piece
The last part above the thread is conical made

[Marcus den toom]

Originally Posted by Patrick O.

I found this between a catch of fish in the noth sea outside de river thames

Hi Patrick,

Interesting piece, could you send me some more HD pictures please?
What is the bore diameter? Looks like a small caliber.
The threaded haft is something i never have seen before either. Very cool piece.

[fernando]

Marcus, are you determining that this is an actual cannon barrel ?

[Patrick O.]

Originally Posted by Marcus den toom

Hi Patrick,

Interesting piece, could you send me some more HD pictures please?
What is the bore diameter? Looks like a small caliber.
The threaded haft is something i never have seen before either. Very cool piece.

Hoi Marcus
The bore hole is 17 mm and on the end close to the thread ther is a small hole and inside as far i can see there are groves

[Paddy T.]

Originally Posted by Spiridonov

3 beautiful barrel from Heeresgeschichtliches museum in Wienna. They all made from bronze. Length of upper barrel is about 575 mm. Calibre is about 15 mm. I don't know exactly because i have put my scale through the glass.
Michael, Do You know parameters of he upper handgonne?
p/s it looks like barrels from Bulgaria.

Hi Spiridonov,

These guns have been published in Wilfried Tittmanns PhD thesis (Bochum 2015, unfortunatelly it´s only in German). Following Tittmann the guns from your post are in fact arabian/ottoman weapons, so Bulgaria wasn´t the badest idea.

[Matchlock]

Originally Posted by Spiridonov

http://www.nramuseum.com/the-museum/...-ca-1350.aspx#
I think that this barrel is about 1480-90 years. Looks like barrels from Pilsen and Vienna. Please, look at the mark which is a hammer. I have seen similar mark on the barrels from museums of Vienna (Heeresgeschichtliches museum and Rustkammer). Who was the owner of this mark?

Hi Alexander,

You are absolutetly right in assuming that the date given for this tiller haquebut by the NRA National Firearms Museum in Fairfax, Va., is far from being correct. 'Ca. 1350' is just ridiculous.

This mark, a goatsfoot hammer, is the personal mark of the famos barrelsmith Sebald Pögl the Elder, Thörl, Styria. Between 1498 and 1506, Pögl furnished 9,950 (!!!) haquebuts for the armories of the Emperor Maximilian I, so 'ca. 1500' would be the correct date for this piece.

Other haquebuts with Pögl's mark are preserved in the Vienna Hofburg and the Landeszeughaus Graz, Styria.

Best,
Michael

[Spiridonov]

Thank You, Michael. Some barrels from Pilsen looks like barrel from the NRA. Can we assume that all barrel of this type is about 1500 year or some barrel from Pilsen collection is earlier?

[Matchlock]

Originally Posted by Spiridonov

Thank You, Michael. Some barrels from Pilsen looks like barrel from the NRA. Can we assume that all barrel of this type is about 1500 year or some barrel from Pilsen collection is earlier?

Hi Alexander,

This type of barrel is of basic latest Gothic form and can be generally attributed to the 'late 15th c.', which means ca. 1480-90. Admittedly it is rather unusual to be found as late as the early 16th c. like in the case of Pögl's haquebuts but Pögl by then was already an old man and worked together with his son, so he seems to have continued the oldfashioned style.

In other words: wouldn't we know Pögl's mark and working life dates, I too would assign his haquebuts to 'ca. 1480-90'.

Best,
Michael

[Spiridonov]

Michael, I am grateful to you. I should have to call You my teacher because a lot of my knowledges about early firearms was given to me by You
Danke

[Matchlock]

Spasiba, Alexander,

Go on working and studying like this and you soon will surpass your teacher!

Best,
Michael