Mandau

[Marc M.]

I recently received some objects from a friend who lived in Indonesia with her parents in the 70-80s. Her father traveled all over Indonesia for his work and regularly brought something home. Like these mandau's, quite small 65 and 63 cm. Both blades have a convex and a concave side. One blade is laminated steel with several fractures, faults, one over almost the entire length of the blade. Cutting on the handle reasonably good, especially the ivory piece. In both handles traces of where a coin once sat. Facinating objects but beyond my familiar knowledge. Made for those who travel, the real stuff, just let me know what you guys think.
Regards
Marc

[Marc M.]

More pictures.

[werecow]

Those swirls in that ivory hilt are lovely.

[Pertinax]

Congratulations Marc!

Very cool swords!
What is the diameter of the coin slot?

With respect,
Yuri.

[Marc M.]

Originally Posted by Pertinax

Congratulations Marc!

Very cool swords!
What is the diameter of the coin slot?

With respect,
Yuri.

Hi Yuri

About 15mm.

Regards
Marc

[Pertinax]

Marc there may have been a coin - Netherlands India 1/10 guilder. I have a Mandau that was also without a coin, I bought it online for a small amount of money.

See the thread:
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=29680

With respect,
Yuri.

[Tim Simmons]

The real deal can be problematic . A sword made for dancing, once used to attack a person becomes real. WW2 era swords were used and Iban warriors in the UK Borneo 1963 -1966 dispute swords were used. These look nice but not sure they will impress the old guard.

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by werecow

Those swirls in that ivory hilt are lovely.

I don't think that the hilt is carved from ivory.

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by Tim Simmons

The real deal can be problematic . A sword made for dancing, once used to attack a person becomes real. WW2 era swords were used and Iban warriors in the UK Borneo 1963 -1966 dispute swords were used. These look nice but not sure they will impress the old guard.

Nearly all swords are made to kill people!

[Marc M.]

Originally Posted by Sajen

I don't think that the hilt is carved from ivory.

Hi Detlef
It is ivory, the Schreger lines are clearly visible.
regards
Marc

[David]

Originally Posted by Sajen

I don't think that the hilt is carved from ivory.

Looks like elephant ivory to my eye. See the cross-hatched lines? I do think this is a bit unusual, which makes this mandau a bot special. Certainly not made for those that travel.

[Battara]

I agree with David on the cross hatching - elephant ivory

[Pertinax]

Originally Posted by David

Looks like elephant ivory to my eye. See the cross-hatched lines? I do think this is a bit unusual, which makes this mandau a bot special. Certainly not made for those that travel.

Is there any information about the production of ivory mandau handles in Borneo?

[David]

Originally Posted by Pertinax

Is there any information about the production of ivory mandau handles in Borneo?

Never seen any. But Dayak weapons are only a minor interest for me so someone more invested in them might have better information. I only have one in my collection and it's hilt is deer horn. That is probably what the majority of hilts are made from and you will, of course, find wooden ones. I have read that on rare occasion human bone has been used, but i have never seen an example yet. I have never heard of ivory being used, but this very clearly looks like ivory to my eyes and it is certainly a traditional carving. So it seems to be a rarity to me.

[A. G. Maisey]

I agree that the ivory shown here is most likely elephant ivory.

However, ivory from some other animals does also display schreger lines. An expert in this field of ivory identification can in most cases differentiate the source of an ivory, however, in the case of mammoth ivory it can be somewhere between difficult & impossible to be absolutely certain with any identification.

Fossil ivory has been used in Indonesian artifacts in the past, & is still being used in Indonesian carvings today. In Bali a tour of shops, galleries & workshops that sell ivory carvings will almost always identify the ivory carvings being offered as "mammoth ivory".

[Pertinax]

A.W. Nieuwenhuis in his book "Quer Durch Borneo" describes the Dayaks making mandau handles from deer horn.

The Bornean elephant, or Kalimantan elephant, or Borneo dwarf elephant (Elephas maximus borneensis) is a subspecies of the Asian elephant that lives in the northeast of the island of Kalimantan.

[Marc M.]

I had no idea that ivory is rarely used to make a handle for a mandau. Although the material is available locally, culturally it is apparently not the custom to use it.
Have shown the mandau to a friend who is more familiar with it. He confirmed my suspicion that the scabbards were fairly recent, but the swords seemed older. The quality of the carving is good and the small utility knife has a good patina. He also found that the talismanic figure is of good quality and age.
As in many cultures, the things most exposed to wear and tear are replaced regularly, perhaps with these mandau's the case.
The blade of the mandau with the ivory handle is laminated, not visible in the photo but in the right light and at a certain angle it is slightly visible. I assume the damage to the blade is from use. The flaws present in the steel created during the fabrication process may have been visible but still found good enough to make it a weapon.
Regards
Marc

[Marc M.]

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

I agree that the ivory shown here is most likely elephant ivory.

However, ivory from some other animals does also display schreger lines. An expert in this field of ivory identification can in most cases differentiate the source of an ivory, however, in the case of mammoth ivory it can be somewhere between difficult & impossible to be absolutely certain with any identification.

Fossil ivory has been used in Indonesian artifacts in the past, & is still being used in Indonesian carvings today. In Bali a tour of shops, galleries & workshops that sell ivory carvings will almost always identify the ivory carvings being offered as "mammoth ivory".

I suppose a lot of ivory being offered bears the heading ‘mammoth ’ because mammoth ivory is legal to trade. I think it is hard to prove that it is mammoth at the request of customs.
Regards
Marc

[Tim Simmons]

Aussie ans Iban ww2.

[Sajen]

Hi Marc,

The handle is indeed from ivory, the first mandau I've seen with such a handle. The handle also shows a very nice carving and also a face. Laminated mandau blades are also very rare and seldom seen. In short, you have a great mandau there, I hope Maurice sees this thread and will comment, he is, at the moment, the person who knows as best about mandaus. Great score, congrats!

Regards,
Detlef

[asomotif]

First time that I see a mandau hilt of ivory ( in over 30 years)

[asomotif]

It would be worth to restore the hilt in my opinion.

The ivory most probably allowed a more detailed carving compared to deer antler.

[Marc M.]

Originally Posted by asomotif

It would be worth to restore the hilt in my opinion.

The ivory most probably allowed a more detailed carving compared to deer antler.

Thank you for your response. Is there any particular reason that ivory was rarely used although the material is present?
I suppose the piece missing from my mandau is similar to your mandau. A restoration might be considered, I have a piece from which it could be made.
Regards
Marc

[asomotif]

Hello Marc,
I do not know if there is a specific reason why ivory is seldom/almost not used in Borneo.
I have only seen 2 objects of elephant ivory before. Both were earrings, and one of the owners was for some reason claiming that it was an ivorine fake. This is the 3rd object of ivory that I have seen. And based on the carving I am sure this is the real deal 🙂
The material is indeed present as in local elephants. And also through trade it must have been possible to get ivory from either Asia or Africa.
Ido notice that elephants do not play a role in the art , myths and religions on Borneo.

[asomotif]

Ps. I just noticed that on your hilt, the protruding point at the back is an inserted piece of a different material. Probably antler. I assume the ivory was not big enough to carve this protruding point from one piece.

Ps. Here a picture of a hilt of similar quality to give you an idea about how the missing 'nose' might have looked.

[Marc M.]

Originally Posted by asomotif

Ps. I just noticed that on your hilt, the protruding point at the back is an inserted piece of a different material. Probably antler. I assume the ivory was not big enough to carve this protruding point from one piece.

Ps. Here a picture of a hilt of similar quality to give you an idea about how the missing 'nose' might have looked.

Indeed, I forgot to mention that the piece sticking out is of a different material, probably antler or bone. Do you have an opinion on the blade, apparently a laminated blade is something not common? The flaws in the steel make it of little use anymore. Reason to sell perhaps.

Regards
Marc

[Pertinax]

Mandau hilts were a form of currency in Borneo. If necessary, the owner could remove the hilt from the sword and sell it.

Best regards,
Yuri

[asomotif]

Originally Posted by Marc M.

Do you have an opinion on the blade, apparently a laminated blade is something not common? The flaws in the steel make it of little use anymore. Reason to sell perhaps.

Regards
Marc

Hi Marc,

Do you have picture of the other side of the blade ?

Roughly / locally forged blades are sometimes referred to as "mantikei".
I have 1 blade in my collection with a similar surface as this one.
They are rare, but I am not sure if they have a special status.

[Marc M.]

Originally Posted by asomotif

Hi Marc,

Do you have picture of the other side of the blade ?

Roughly / locally forged blades are sometimes referred to as "mantikei".
I have 1 blade in my collection with a similar surface as this one.
They are rare, but I am not sure if they have a special status.

I read on the forum in an old post that when the men left the village to settle a conflict, the big mandau were taken with them and the small ones stayed in the village to defend it. I also thought I read that the mandau's were kept in the men's house, longhouse. No idea if this is correct, can't find the post again.

Regards
Marc

[Marc M.]

Originally Posted by Pertinax

Mandau hilts were a form of currency in Borneo. If necessary, the owner could remove the hilt from the sword and sell it.

Best regards,
Yuri

Hi Yuri, thanks for the info, no idea the handle was/is a monetary value. You do come across loose handles.

Regards
Marc