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fernando 7th July 2017 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by kronckew
... nice little one. if you ever come to the UK, carrying that one would be illegal ... as a real antique offensive weapon, it fits in here of course. :)
I will be prepaired for that, Wayne; maybe it is not so offensive nor a weapon, as only a graceful minature, but certainly an antique one, by the looks of it :cool:.

Chris Evans 7th July 2017 04:29 PM
Fernando,

But does it have a carraca? :D

Cheers
Chris

Chris Evans 7th July 2017 04:34 PM
kronckew,


Quote:
Originally Posted by kronckew
nice little one. if you ever come to the UK, carrying that one would be illegal to carry without a good reason and could get you a few years in jail as, due to the locking mechanism it is considered an 'offensive weapon'.
As was the case in old Spain. It wasn't the blade size but the lock that determined its potential as a weapon.

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....a man recently was arrested because he had one of similar size on his key chain 'without good reason' the judge was a bit lenient and only gave him a large fine, and a few months in jail.
The Brits are lenient - In Spain he would have been sent to the galleys! :D

Cheers
Chris

fernando 7th July 2017 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris Evans
...But does it have a carraca? :D
No Chris, not a single crack :shrug:.

Chris Evans 8th July 2017 05:46 AM
Fernando,

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No Chris, not a single crack :shrug:.
As a bard once sang:

“If it ain’t got no carraca,
It ain’t much of a navaja”
:D :D :D :D

Cheers
Chris

Gonzalo G 8th July 2017 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by fernando
Yes indeed, Chris; specially handled by two so knowledged members ... and resistant to brain pickers like this humble servant of yours :shrug: . Surely the info you have exchanged about this subject is of interest to many others, this thread having already reached almost a thousand views.
Despite these knives being an obsolete "tool" in practical terms, they surely constitute a rather interesting collectible item.
I regret having got rid of my few examples; the only one i have left is this palanquilla 'functional' example ... with 35 mm. (1 1/2") length open and weighing less than 1 gram. Note the care had by the "smith" to replicate all components with their indicated mterials ... and accept my appologies for this impertinent inclusion :o.

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Oh, Fernando, you are quite something...you don´t forget even to make irony.

Well, in my country is not prohibited to have navajas of any size...only to stick them to a neighbor...but authorities are lenient about this...since people is machinegunned on the streets by a dozens every day...a matter of priorities. :D :D

So, I am open to receive gifts, specially a navaja de carraca, since I don't have any. Never did. Though I have examined some of them...

Regards

Rick 8th July 2017 03:09 PM
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Here's a little one I picked up some years ago.
Six inches open; 5 clicks with the last one being the lock.

fernando 8th July 2017 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris Evans
... As a bard once sang:

“If it ain’t got no carraca,
It ain’t much of a navaja”
:D :D :D :D ...
That bard is not an accredited one :rolleyes:.

fernando 8th July 2017 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Rick
Here's a little one I picked up some years ago.
Six inches open; 5 clicks with the last one being the lock.
You know this is a common tourist recuerdo, Rick :o; surely younger than any of your preferred collectibles ;). You must acquire the real thing :cool:.

Rick 8th July 2017 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by fernando
You know this is a common tourist recuerdo, Rick :o; surely younger than any of your preferred collectibles ;). You must acquire the real thing :cool:.
Of course I know its a souvenir Fernando. :rolleyes:
I have too much money in sharp things as it is so I'll settle for this. :o

fernando 8th July 2017 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Rick
Of course I know its a souvenir Fernando. :rolleyes: ...
I know you know, Rick; my unfortunate approach :o.

Rick 8th July 2017 08:48 PM
At least it makes the desired sound when opening. :shrug:

Lee 9th July 2017 12:45 PM
I used to eagerly await each new issue
 
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Sometimes when I watch Forged in Fire I feel so stupid. I have seen and may even have antique examples of what the smiths are to make - but I never recall having heard the terminology before. While attempting to clear some of the accumulations of modern life in my attic I have found - buried in a stack of old magazines - an important reference to ethnographic arms in popular American culture - the Atlanta Cutlery catalog for 1996!

Peripherally relevant to this thread, here are listings for the noisy navaja!

fernando 10th July 2017 03:43 PM
A rather opportune entry, Lee.
... And a very 'romantic' means to expose the carraca noise saga; not without a pretty fair dosis of realism, though.
Thanks for sharing that paper.

Miguel 11th July 2017 08:37 PM
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Here is one I picked up from an "Artes de Toledo" shop in Catalonia about 15 years ago which is a dead ringer in dimensions and weight etc. to the first illustration in Lee`s Atlanta Cutlery catalogue.
Miguel

fernando 18th November 2022 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Chris Evans (Post 217301)
Rick:

That painting is titled `El Enano De La Venta’ (The Dwarf Of Sale) by Antonio Medina and is located in the Museo Taurino De Madrid.

`The Dwarf Of Sale’ is a quaint popular expression that is based on a fictional personality and which is used to describe a person who makes bombastic threats but cannot carry them out...
Just a little note, if i may, Chris; in this context, the term 'Venta' refers to a 'Inn' (sort of boarding house). In fact, the legend poem says:

"Parece que antes había
En la venta del Candil
Un enano que tenía
Voz equivalente a mil".

As if the bragging dwarf freqüented a determined Inn, that of Candil.

I accidently see that the term appears often in Cervantes work where, for one, Dom Quixote envisions all Ventas as Castles.

Chris Evans 18th November 2022 02:41 PM
Hi Fernando,

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Originally Posted by fernando (Post 276372)
Just a little note, if i may, Chris; in this context, the term 'Venta' refers to a 'Inn' (sort of boarding house). In fact, the legend poem says:

"Parece que antes había
En la venta del Candil
Un enano que tenía
Voz equivalente a mil".

As if the bragging dwarf freqüented a determined Inn, that of Candil.

I accidently see that the term appears often in Cervantes work where, for one, Dom Quixote envisions all Ventas as Castles.
Thanks for the correction, but you already did so back in 2017 with post #24 of this thread.

Cheers
Chris

fernando 18th November 2022 03:17 PM
So sorry Chris. No wonder, Alzheimer at my age :o.


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