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Old 24th June 2024, 03:10 PM   #1
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Can you help me to evaluate how old is that blade and what is the origin?

I suspect persian blade from minimum XVIII.. but maybe XVII..

Hilt is missing but might be ineresting.. anatomical shape rather than classic one.
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Old 24th June 2024, 09:26 PM   #2
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Hello qusko

IMHO this is a Hungarian-Polish karabela

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Old 24th June 2024, 11:17 PM   #3
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The guard is Persian, and there were Persian trade blades with fullers. After cleaning the blade, are there any markings?
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Old 25th June 2024, 06:25 AM   #4
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Thank you for your comments.

Unfortunately blade has no markings. Indeed it is similar to persian trade blades, might be older. I have attached few Pictures, where similar blade, or hilt shape were used. In some other articles I read it might be Zand era blade.

In polish karabela there were foreign blade used,but seems it is not the case of this sabre.
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Old 25th June 2024, 09:09 AM   #5
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Hello,

I am of the opinion this is NOT a Persian but an European trade blade.

I base my opinion on the configuration of the blade like the shape of the edge and the fullers.

Yes, the cross-guard appears to be Persian but this is the ONLY Persian feature I can distinguish in this example.

PS: In my opinion, the blade in the photo below is also an European (probably Solingen) trade blade.
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Old 25th June 2024, 10:22 AM   #6
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Hello,

I am of the opinion this is NOT a Persian but an European trade blade.

I base my opinion on the configuration of the blade like the shape of the edge and the fullers.

Yes, the cross-guard appears to be Persian but this is the ONLY Persian feature I can distinguish in this example.

PS: In my opinion, the blade in the photo below is also an European (probably Solingen) trade blade.
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Several examples of carabela handles and crosspieces
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Old 25th June 2024, 01:11 PM   #7
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Indeed persian blades where usually not straight, but please look at the example I ve added. That one is with persian trade blade. Last one is with "karabela" (anatomical) hilt.

If it is europen trade blade, it looks like mounted with persian fashion and karabela like hilt. XVII century ?
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Old 25th June 2024, 01:13 PM   #8
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Hi,
Here is an identified Persian trade blade of mine for comparison. Hope this is of some use.
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Old 25th June 2024, 02:37 PM   #9
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Indeed persian blades where usually not straight, but please look at the example I ve added. That one is with persian trade blade. Last one is with "karabela" (anatomical) hilt.

If it is europen trade blade, it looks like mounted with persian fashion and karabela like hilt. XVII century ?
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Old 30th June 2024, 08:58 AM   #10
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I was not able to find any other similar blade as the one posted earlier. It might be a a europen trade blade.. can you share your thoughts on date? Any similar baldes you saw?

Adding here full blade from other example I have found, plus museum examples of the swords with persian trade blades.
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