Ethnographic Arms & Armour
 

Go Back   Ethnographic Arms & Armour > Discussion Forums > Ethnographic Weapons

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 13th September 2022, 12:09 PM   #1
Anthony G.
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2018
Posts: 426
Default Ming late dynasty Chinese Dao (Saber)

Ming late dynasty Chinese Dao (Saber)
Attached Images
 
Anthony G. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13th September 2022, 02:01 PM   #2
Lee
EAAF Staff
 
Lee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Upstate New York, USA
Posts: 833
Default

Following Peter Dekker's article this looks most like a "goose quill saber" with a simplified "goose wing" termination. Hopefully Peter and Phillip will weigh in.
Lee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13th September 2022, 08:27 PM   #3
Jim McDougall
Arms Historian
 
Jim McDougall's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Route 66
Posts: 9,171
Default

Seems unusual to see tunkou on one of these, but clearly this is a hybrid as so often the case with these forms. While I am anxious to see the input from Philip and Peter, I wanted to add my own similar example for perspective.
Attached Images
  
Jim McDougall is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13th September 2022, 10:28 PM   #4
JBG163
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2019
Location: France
Posts: 163
Default

Hi Antony and others,
I think i know that one...
Honestly, it looks like a Yanchidao (goose wing) saber.
Potentially, fittings are a bit later from blade. Some excavated swords from that type avec been attributed to 14th (Yuan period).
I have discussed that one with Peter and Philip some months or year ago. It could be from late ming/early qing dynasty. At the same period, i had also contacted a chinese author and sword collector that assessed late ming/qing. Still, it could also be a bit later. It's always difficult to know. I think that saying 18th would be a reasonnable guess ?
JBG163 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14th September 2022, 02:01 AM   #5
Anthony G.
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2018
Posts: 426
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by JBG163 View Post
Hi Antony and others,
I think i know that one...
Honestly, it looks like a Yanchidao (goose wing) saber.
Potentially, fittings are a bit later from blade. Some excavated swords from that type avec been attributed to 14th (Yuan period).
I have discussed that one with Peter and Philip some months or year ago. It could be from late ming/early qing dynasty. At the same period, i had also contacted a chinese author and sword collector that assessed late ming/qing. Still, it could also be a bit later. It's always difficult to know. I think that saying 18th would be a reasonnable guess ?

Could be and also I was told that iron fitting is usually earlier than 19th/20th century. This is one of my favorite. Enjoy the photo.
Anthony G. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20th September 2022, 06:54 AM   #6
Philip
Member
 
Philip's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: California
Posts: 1,032
Default

Blade shape is usually called fengchidao (phoenix wing saber). The type does indeed date back to the Ming if not earlier, as indicated by depiction in art of the era, and a few surviving specimens. The fittings on this one look like later replacements, Qing for sure, judging from their style, probably around the 18th cent.
Philip is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 08:52 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2023, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Posts are regarded as being copyrighted by their authors and the act of posting material is deemed to be a granting of an irrevocable nonexclusive license for display here.