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Old 6th August 2021, 08:40 PM   #1
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Default Interesting Tenegre

I just got this interesting tenegre.The sword measures approx. 25" long and there is a space between the tang and the handle that may have once had a guard that is now missing. The blade has a brass(?), insert that I don't know why it would be there unless it was for strength reinforcement or some talismanic effect.
It has a nice scabbard, with a leather top, & either horn or tortoiseshell wraps on the sheath.
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Old 7th August 2021, 11:34 PM   #2
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Really nice PH weaps. Congrats on your acquisitions.
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Old 8th August 2021, 08:44 AM   #4
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drac,

Your latest acquisition is a nice sword. It appears to have a mono-steel blade with a quench-hardened edge. The scabbard is a fairly old design, and the plates are likely to be horn rather than tortoiseshell. All up, I would say this ensemble is early 20th C (1910-1930), based mainly on the scabbard.

BTW, the large knife at the bottom of your first picture, the one with the leather sheath, is an Ilokano knife from northern Luzon.

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Old 8th August 2021, 07:42 PM   #5
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Thanks for the info Ian; what is your opinion as to the brass insert?
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Old 9th August 2021, 04:55 AM   #6
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Thanks for the info Ian; what is your opinion as to the brass insert?
I don't know of any particular significance for the brass inlay. In the absence of other information, I'd say it is a decorative feature, but others more familiar with local customs may know more about the use of copper on such blades. Perhaps one of our Filipino members can comment further.
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Old 9th August 2021, 05:59 AM   #7
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I thought it was more talismanic.
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Old 9th August 2021, 02:14 PM   #8
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The scabbard is a fairly old design, and the plates are likely to be horn rather than tortoiseshell. All up, I would say this ensemble is early 20th C (1910-1930), based mainly on the scabbard.
Agree with Ian that it is horn instead of tortoiseshell.

But my age guess is different, I guess end of the 19th century. See here: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...hlight=tenegre

Very nice tenegre btw.

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Old 9th August 2021, 07:27 PM   #9
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Thanks, Sajen; the scabbards do like very much alike.
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Old 10th August 2021, 05:56 AM   #10
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Hi Detlef,

I agree that the style of scabbard looks similar and is of an older form. However, it was my understanding that the use of leather around the throat of the scabbard was a feature introduced in the very early 20th C, and the horn "scales" a little later. That's why I dated it as shown. You may be right that it is a bit older, but I doubt much before 1900.

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Old 10th August 2021, 03:28 PM   #11
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Hi Ian,
The horn sheet binding at scabbards I know only from fairly old examples and never have seen it by later examples. Since there are not so many dated examples around we can't be sure either.

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Old 12th August 2021, 12:01 AM   #12
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Hi everyone. Regarding the style of scabbard with that particular sheet binding, there's a provenanced tenegre picked up by Austrian explorers on an 1857-59 expedition that has a similar motif. Here's the description from the database-website "Mapping Philippine Culture," the sample itself is located in the Vienna Museum of Ethnology:

This sanduko bolo was obtained in Luzon but is typical for the island Panay. It features an elaborately carved and silver coated pommel, representing a demonic head - probably a naga or the mythical creature bakunawa. The blade has its center of gravity towards the tip, thus enabling to gain momentum for hacking and chopping cuts. (Oliver Moiseanu 2009: 63)

Here's the provenance:

The Austrian navy carried out its first major scientific mission with the frigate “Novara,” circumnavigating the globe within two years and three months (between April 30, 1857, and August 30, 1859). The crew returned with collections of botanical, geological, zoological, and cultural materials. This sanduko bolo was obtained in Luzon but is typical for the island Panay. It is among the few ethnological objects the “Novara” team collected in the Philippine Archipelago.
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Old 12th August 2021, 06:04 AM   #13
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Great information, thanks.
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Hi Xas,

Indeed a great information! And the scabbard is covered in horn and has a leather throat! And it's very similar to the one in discussion. So it can be from 1850 until 1900.

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Hi Xas,

I followed up on your reference and found pictures of the sword and scabbard. However, I could find no mention of the horn plates and the picture is not clear enough (at least for me) to see whether there are any plates present on the scabbard.

The information I had about dating leather throat coverings and horn plates came from Federico Malabago on the old UBB Forum, now unfortunately defunct.

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The brass insert is for aswangs. They still believe in aswangs on the island of Panay today. Usually, the whole blade is made of brass or copper, but on longer blades a piece of copper/brass is incorporated into the blades since brass/copper is too soft and will not hold an edge.
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Old 21st September 2021, 03:06 AM   #17
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Here's an Ilonggo plamenko with an all brass/copper blade. Its sole purpose is to be used on aswang.
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Old 21st September 2021, 03:28 PM   #18
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Thanks, Bangkaya.Good to know that I have a sword to battle man or aswang !
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First it's great to see you back Bangkaya!

Second, it's great to know now one of the uses of brass or copper on weaponry - aswangs.
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