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Old 14th August 2021, 05:52 PM   #1
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All steel powder flask 7 1/2 inches at the widest and the ramrod at 13 1/2 inches is obviously pistol sized. I've seen these tagged as Persian, Ottoman, Balkan and Indo-Persian and I have no doubt there is cross cultural form and usage, if anyone can give me a more definitive attribution I would be grateful. The timeline I would suspect is somewhere in the 19thC. The hanger is to a degree incomplete i.e the leather loss on one of the strands and the lack of an end tassel/bauble on another. On the other hand I haven't found many of these complete with hanger and ramrod although I don't know if flask and ramrod were always or mostly carried together en suite as it were. Thanks for your assistance as always.
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Old 14th August 2021, 06:50 PM   #2
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It's Ottoman military, Norman. It appears c. 1830s and the type remains in production into the late 19th century.
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Old 14th August 2021, 07:06 PM   #3
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Hi Oliver,
Ottoman military, that's a nice surprise. Thanks as always for your help.
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Nice example, Norman.

... with a system similar to mine, but which was told (15 years ago) to have a completely different provenance.


http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...o+powder+flask
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I confirm what colleagues said, Ottoman military, pictured in the Book Description of Egypt, end of 18th early 19th c.
They are common, because military...
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I confirm what colleagues said, Ottoman military, pictured in the Book Description of Egypt, end of 18th early 19th c.
They are common, because military...
Hi Kubur,
Thanks for the info. Re the availability of these. They don't appear to be common where I am but it is possibly different for you. I can only find two more examples with the hanger and ramrod both from a German auction house, photos attached.
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Old 15th August 2021, 03:12 PM   #7
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Nice example, Norman.

... with a system similar to mine, but which was told (15 years ago) to have a completely different provenance.


http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...o+powder+flask
Hi Fernando,
An interesting piece. I guess the system was widespread re the functionality and the form varied from place to place.
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Old 18th August 2021, 01:28 PM   #8
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Hi Rick, Eftihis and Kubur,
Thanks for the info and extra images it's much appreciated.
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