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Old 13th November 2020, 03:59 PM   #1
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Default old ( navaja?) folding knife

Hello all !

Waiting for my sikin panjang,
I wanted to show you this large interesting navaja with green horn
( I hesitate to post it in european armoury...)
the black one is the spanish model I already have.

An old, 19th ? century model ,

It's 55cm long when opened,
I think it's still a good size for use it
( not only for deco as when it comes near 80cm, 1 meter long...)
the blade is really large and impressive, well made ( looks an old bowie blade ! )

Is it a spanish model ?
does anybody know the stamps ?

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Old 13th November 2020, 04:02 PM   #2
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And these pictures more...
Kind regards everybody !
( and eat apples !! )
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Old 13th November 2020, 04:40 PM   #3
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Cool knives, I like the roach-belly one with the brass tail best. It could peel my apples nicely, or any other task I might require of it within its remit.
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Old 13th November 2020, 05:19 PM   #4
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Smile Very Nice!

It looks like the decorative file work was only applied to one side of the spine.
Can we see a shot looking downward at this feature please?
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Old 13th November 2020, 06:34 PM   #5
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Thank you Rick and Kronckew for your message,

Rick, here is the spine,
yes the engravings-deco are only on one side, it make sense when we see the entire back-spine,
nice deco too with the nails making a floral deco on the other side of the hilt.
I think it's pretty old.

For the blade marks, maybe it's JC or JO ??
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Old 13th November 2020, 08:47 PM   #6
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Cool knives, I like the roach-belly one with the brass tail best. .
Roach-belly? Haven't heard that term before, nice to know. I'm trying to recall all the cockroaches I've gotten up close to examine, and fail to see where the comparison lies. Maybe I was distracted by the legs so therefore missed something...
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Old 13th November 2020, 11:32 PM   #7
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I like file work on a blade. Unfortunately I have no antique examples to show. It surely adds a little class to the look of the knife.
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Old 14th November 2020, 12:24 AM   #8
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Roach belly = fish belly. Google is your friend here.... https://www.coldsteel.com/roach-belly-20rbc
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I like file work on a blade. Unfortunately I have no antique examples to show. It surely adds a little class to the look of the knife.

Really Nice !
Recent stuff is hopefully not always synonym of bad stuff !
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Roach belly = fish belly. Google is your friend here.... https://www.coldsteel.com/roach-belly-20rbc
Exactly.

Digressing for all y'alls edification:

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Better view, of mine. The CS site's photo is rather poor. It is a very good utility knife. The fish is tasty, but Bony. Can weigh up to a kilo (2.2lb.). Bet you never considered eating a Roach before.

p.s.- Asians frequently enjoy eating the insects of the same name.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled topic - after the pictures:
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Old 16th July 2021, 06:54 PM   #11
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Please forgive me for reviving this old thread, but the OP examples present an opportunity for clarification. Are the locks on the OP examples called muelle de ventana and the release on the smaller one called a cierre de golpe and the larger one called a cierre de anilla? Or are all the locks called cierre and muelle just refers to an external spring?

What are these systems called in English?
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The black one is Sevillan style but most likely made in Albacete.

The other one is a kind of mixed and it confuses me but it definitely looks Spanish, close to Albacetan style.

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Old 17th July 2021, 05:52 PM   #13
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Is it a spanish model ?
does anybody know the stamps ?
It appears to be Spanish and dating to the last quarter of the 19th century.

There is a very similar one in Forton's Antique Clasp Knive's, on page 23, item 022. The English annotation reads as follows:

19th century clasp knife. It has bullhorn scales with lines of brass rivets, a ring closing mechanism and a four faced blade with a cutler's mark resembling a castle and the capital letter F.

I will add that the lock is typically Spanish and the ring pull became popular around 1875.

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Old 20th July 2021, 08:33 PM   #14
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It appears to be Spanish and dating to the last quarter of the 19th century.

There is a very similar one in Forton's Antique Clasp Knive's, on page 23, item 022. The English annotation reads as follows:

19th century clasp knife. It has bullhorn scales with lines of brass rivets, a ring closing mechanism and a four faced blade with a cutler's mark resembling a castle and the capital letter F.

I will add that the lock is typically Spanish and the ring pull became popular around 1875.

Cheers
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Hi Chris
I would be grateful if you would advise me if Fortons book is in English as well as Spanish
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Hi Chris
I would be grateful if you would advise me if Fortons book is in English as well as Spanish
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Hi Miguel,

That particular book of his, from which I quoted, is lavishly illustrated with superb photos and has annotations in both Spanish and English.

See https://www.abebooks.com/Navajas-Ant...30897949907/bd


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Hi Miguel,

That particular book of his, from which I quoted, is lavishly illustrated with superb photos and has annotations in both Spanish and English.

See https://www.abebooks.com/Navajas-Ant...30897949907/bd


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Hi Chris

Thank you very much for your speedy reply now I will add another book to my collection.

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