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Old 3rd February 2023, 02:04 AM   #1
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Default Lumad Kampilan aka Cuban Bolo Knife?

A recent acquisition. This is compelling to me, not just because of the blade but also of the affixed label on the scabbard.
There was such person in the Union Army during the U.S. Civil War.
It would be impossible to verify if Mr. Vandermark, actually carried this into battle. It is possible that this sword landed in Cuba via a Spanish ship sailing from the Philippines during the inquisition, but really?

I think, earliest the label was placed on the scabbard would have been late 1963, thatís when the U.S. Postal Service amended the 2 letter state code.

Around the scabbard are small branches/twigs and a section of black coral.

There was another twist core Lumad sword blade posted here on the Forum a while ago but Iím unable to locate it. Perhaps some one can re-post a photo of it or post a link.
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Old 3rd February 2023, 11:20 AM   #2
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You mean this one ?
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Old 3rd February 2023, 02:52 PM   #3
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I'm pretty sure Albert meant Jose's superb piece:
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Old 3rd February 2023, 02:54 PM   #4
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Here's another twistcore Bagobo blade which used to be in Dave & Lonna's collection - I sure do miss both of them!
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=13243
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Old 3rd February 2023, 03:09 PM   #5
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Hello Albert,

That's an absolutely gorgeous piece - congrats!


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There was such person in the Union Army during the U.S. Civil War.
It would be impossible to verify if Mr. Vandermark, actually carried this into battle. It is possible that this sword landed in Cuba via a Spanish ship sailing from the Philippines during the inquisition, but really?

I think, earliest the label was placed on the scabbard would have been late 1963, that’s when the U.S. Postal Service amended the 2 letter state code.
Have you checked lists for during the Span.-Am. war period and until WW2, too?

I believe there is pretty much zero chance this piece already entered the rural eastern US before the civil war and ending up with an inhabitant of a really small confederate town who happened to decide fighting for the Union, instead. Much less the twigs surviving active service in the field rather than being used as fire starter...

This could easily have been picked up by a serviceman during the Span-Am war or even later during the US colonial period. (The label mentions service but not war.)

Apparently, the label got written quite a bit later. Maybe the later owner worked from memory and merely mixed up islands?


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Around the scabbard are small branches/twigs and a section of black coral.
Anting-anting, I guess?

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Old 3rd February 2023, 06:27 PM   #6
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Thanks Fernando but the one I was referring to is Jose’s, in which Kai posted.

Thanks Kai. The label is a long reach, I know that it’s not to be taken as pure fact.
I just did a brief name search and saw the results of the Union soldier.
Usually when a Union soldier is mentioned, it’s usually point to the US Civil War, so I didn’t look into later wars, but I will.
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Old 3rd February 2023, 06:54 PM   #7
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Looks like a garbled Museum label added much later by someone who didn't care much for historical accuracy. He could have been a young Union soldier who served as an old volunteer in the pan-Am war in Cuba. The "Cuba" and the 'Service' labels seem unconnected. Could have been donated by a descendent whose memory of where it came from was deficient. Nice piece in any case.

I suspect it's more likely from the Moro Insurrection period.



We forget how short a time it has been since those days. There is still an American Civil War Veteran's wife who is alive ang collecting his war pension. he was in his 90s, and she was in her teens when they married. He was a Union drummer boy in the War between the States. I think she gets $5 a month.



Heck, Russia is still using sniper rifles from the end of the 19c -albeit with more modern sights. And more modern snipers.
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Old 4th February 2023, 04:10 AM   #8
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Looks like a garbled Museum label added much later by someone who didn't care much for historical accuracy.
The previous owner acquired this sword from an auction at a museum. Of all places, Raganís Golden 20ís Musical Museum in 1972.

Battara, your thought makes sense. It could have been.

Thanks Sajen.
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Old 12th February 2023, 09:25 PM   #9
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As a museum volunteer researcher, it is frustrating to see labels that say something like "20 years ago..." with no reference to the base date of the label.
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Old 3rd February 2023, 06:57 PM   #10
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A thought: Some young US Civil War soldiers later fought in the Indian Wars and the in the Philippine-American War and subsequently in the Moro Wars. Many did this and brought back (like everyone else) souvenirs from the regions.

I would find it likely that your US serviceman did the same thing, though not bringing his Bagobo kampilan to fight the South.

I LOVE the twist cores in your blade!
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Magnificent sword Albert! And overall great condition.
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