Native American Sword (Pawnee/Otoe)

ParikiMark · 6th March 2020, 08:24 AM

Thanks so much for this highly useful information, BAW!!! This provides some useful context and possible new avenues to look at. Much appreciated!

Kubur · 6th March 2020, 04:41 PM

Hi

Of course there is 95% of chances that these short swords are US in origin.
But remember that the US artillery sword is based on the French model.
This model existed since the 18th c. and Lafayette with the models 1767-1771 and 1774-1783.

https://www.photo.rmn.fr/archive/06-...NU0P2WKB1.html

I'm not in the head of a 19th c. Indian, but a sword with an eagle head is a really cool totem... Think about it....
So you need to look at the photos closer, maybe these Indians had French swords.

Kubur

kronckew · 7th March 2020, 02:08 PM

see also my post here: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showpo...9&postcount=38

Many French and other european Gladius style infantry swords did not have the waisted and fullered blade of the US Artillery one. Even a brit one like in the other post of mine from the UK Land Transport Corps. French mid 19c and later ones had a flattened diamond x-section, no fullers at all.

an oddball one as another example: My Double edged 'Yataghan' blade, both edges sharp.

6th March 2020, 08:24 AM	#1
ParikiMark Member Join Date: Feb 2020 Location: Doha, Qatar Posts: 4	Crooked Hand's Sword (Pawnee) Thanks so much for this highly useful information, BAW!!! This provides some useful context and possible new avenues to look at. Much appreciated!

6th March 2020, 04:41 PM	#2
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Hi Of course there is 95% of chances that these short swords are US in origin. But remember that the US artillery sword is based on the French model. This model existed since the 18th c. and Lafayette with the models 1767-1771 and 1774-1783. https://www.photo.rmn.fr/archive/06-...NU0P2WKB1.html I'm not in the head of a 19th c. Indian, but a sword with an eagle head is a really cool totem... Think about it.... So you need to look at the photos closer, maybe these Indians had French swords. Kubur Attached Images

7th March 2020, 02:08 PM	#3
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,152	see also my post here: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showpo...9&postcount=38 Many French and other european Gladius style infantry swords did not have the waisted and fullered blade of the US Artillery one. Even a brit one like in the other post of mine from the UK Land Transport Corps. French mid 19c and later ones had a flattened diamond x-section, no fullers at all. an oddball one as another example: My Double edged 'Yataghan' blade, both edges sharp. Attached Images