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Old 9th May 2018, 08:21 AM   #1
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Hi ,

I searched in vain for a translator for this inscription.
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Old 9th May 2018, 08:33 AM   #2
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I searched in vain for a translator for this inscription.
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Sorry forgot the picture of Kilic!
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Old 9th May 2018, 11:44 AM   #3
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This inscription in Serbian
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Old 9th May 2018, 02:53 PM   #4
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Sorry forgot the picture of Kilic!


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Can you read it ?
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This inscription in Serbian


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Can you read it ?
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'Google translate' does Serbian to English (or German) if you can make out the letters.
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Old 9th May 2018, 05:57 PM   #7
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The first parts states "this sabre belonged to the Voevoda..." and then lists the name of the Voevoda, which I cannot quite make out, plus I am not familiar with the Serbian/Montenegrin voevodas.

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Old 9th May 2018, 06:33 PM   #8
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"Voevoda" means warrior, usually of higher rank such as commander. Literally, the one who leads in the war.
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Very nice piece. Perhaps more of a Shamshir than a Kilij, but who cares, collector-speak only!
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"Voevoda" means warrior, usually of higher rank such as commander. Literally, the one who leads in the war.


very similar word in other eastern European languages.

One of the more well-known ones was the Voivode Vlad Tepes, Prince of Wallachia, the Drakul, who didn't care much for his Turkish neighbours & gently persuaded some of them to leave his lands when they tried to arrive uninvited at the scene of one of his dinner parties. They apologised and left since he asked them so nicely.
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The first parts states "this sabre belonged to the Voevoda..." and then lists the name of the Voevoda, which I cannot quite make out, plus I am not familiar with the Serbian/Montenegrin voevodas.

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Thanks Teodor ,

that helps so is the title"Woiwode"(It is a Slavic ruler title.)
it is an extraordinary Kilic see pictures..
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"Ова с сабля била войводе Т. Вучића Перишића покланя Ђ. Колароз"
"This saber was presented by the voivode T. Vučić Perišić J. Colaroz"

But I can make a little mistake
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Nice sword! Interesting to see the wrist cord as well. I note the little loops on the front quillon and the pommel where probably a little chain was secured. Is the grip made from horn?
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"Ова с сабля била войводе Т. Вучића Перишића покланя Ђ. Колароз"
"This saber was presented by the voivode T. Vučić Perišić J. Colaroz"

But I can make a little mistake


Thanks, that's great.
Have been trying for 6 years to bring this out.
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Nice sword! Interesting to see the wrist cord as well. I note the little loops on the front quillon and the pommel where probably a little chain was secured. Is the grip made from horn?


It is rhino.
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Thanks, that's great.
Have been trying for 6 years to bring this out.
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It's my pleasure

Toma Vučić Perišić (1787 or 1788 - 1859) is a famous statesman of Serbia, a participant in two uprisings against the Ottoman Empire. https://sr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A...%88%D0%B8%D1%9B
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Toma Vučić Perišić (1787 or 1788 - 1859) is a famous statesman of Serbia, a participant in two uprisings against the Ottoman Empire. https://sr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A...%88%D0%B8%D1%9B


So the then owner of my Kilic was an important man at the time.

Is good to know !
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What about the Arabic writing and the mark? Is it a captured Ottoman blade? The decorations on the cross guard and scabbard look European (good quality as well).
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Thanks, that's great.
Have been trying for 6 years to bring this out.
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Extraordinary work indeed, Ren Ren.
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Toma Vučić Perišić (1787 or 1788 - 1859) is a famous statesman of Serbia, a participant in two uprisings against the Ottoman Empire. https://sr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A...%88%D0%B8%D1%9B


Found this is the English language on the Belgrade City Museum web page:

”Toma Vučić Perišić (1788–1859) was a participant of the First and Second Serbian Uprisings and a prominent figure of the government established by the Defenders of the Constitution (Ustavobranitelji). He was initially a collaborator of Miloš Obrenović, to become one of his most severe opponents. Vučić Perišić played a role in Miloš's abdication and the expulsion from the country of Prince Mihailo and the Obrenović family in 1842.

The portrait dates from the period when Toma Vučić Perišić was one of the most powerful people in Serbia. He is shown in ceremonial and lavish Oriental outfit reflecting his high position of a statesman. Sticking to tradition, he kept on wearing Oriental dress, even though the majority of the bourgeois elite in Serbia adopted European dress styles.”
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Found this is the English language on the Belgrade City Museum web page:

”Toma Vučić Perišić (1788–1859) was a participant of the First and Second Serbian Uprisings and a prominent figure of the government established by the Defenders of the Constitution (Ustavobranitelji). He was initially a collaborator of Miloš Obrenović, to become one of his most severe opponents. Vučić Perišić played a role in Miloš's abdication and the expulsion from the country of Prince Mihailo and the Obrenović family in 1842.

The portrait dates from the period when Toma Vučić Perišić was one of the most powerful people in Serbia. He is shown in ceremonial and lavish Oriental outfit reflecting his high position of a statesman. Sticking to tradition, he kept on wearing Oriental dress, even though the majority of the bourgeois elite in Serbia adopted European dress styles.”


Thank you for the information .
It is also a great article in Wikipedia
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