Dutch navy poniard?

corrado26 · 7th January 2024, 12:57 PM

In my opinion, the coat of arms on the saber has nothing to do with Düsseldorf, the differences are too important as can be easily seen from the two illustrations. The lion on the sword holder holds a sword in his raised right hand and leans on an anchor with his left, this sword detail lacks the Düsseldorf lion, but instead has a forked tail. The lion, on the other hand, is very similar in basic shape to the lion in the Brabant coat of arms. Over that both crowns are very different, the anchor-lion wears a duke's crown very well fitting to the duchy of Brabant, the Düsseldorf lion's crown is that of a baron!

Jim McDougall · 8th January 2024, 12:19 AM

Udo, thank you for the clarification. I see what you mean on the Dusseldorf lion etc. so while the similarity is compelling, clearly not directly associated. The 'anchor' seems to often create misperception presuming naval connotation.

Also,on the splitting of the name spelling. That explains it, and Cel7 thanks again for the responses.

Richard G · 11th January 2024, 02:30 PM

I believe the Coat of Arms of the Netherlands contains a crowned lion wielding a sword; a symbol of the monarch. The other hand should be grasping a bunch of arrows. This is difficult to distinguish on this dirk.
Perhaps in this case the fact that the lion is leaning on an anchor merely indicates a naval connection rather than being an integral part of the coat of arms and it is simply, as originally thought, a dutch naval dirk.

Best wishes

Richard

cel7 · 11th January 2024, 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard G

I believe the Coat of Arms of the Netherlands contains a crowned lion wielding a sword; a symbol of the monarch. The other hand should be grasping a bunch of arrows. This is difficult to distinguish on this dirk.
Perhaps in this case the fact that the lion is leaning on an anchor merely indicates a naval connection rather than being an integral part of the coat of arms and it is simply, as originally thought, a dutch naval dirk.

Best wishes

Richard

Thanks for your response Richard!

Hotspur · 13th January 2024, 04:28 AM

What about Finland guys?

Bavaria has river police. The Rhine flows to the Meuse.

Cheers
GC

7th January 2024, 12:57 PM	#1
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,171	In my opinion, the coat of arms on the saber has nothing to do with Düsseldorf, the differences are too important as can be easily seen from the two illustrations. The lion on the sword holder holds a sword in his raised right hand and leans on an anchor with his left, this sword detail lacks the Düsseldorf lion, but instead has a forked tail. The lion, on the other hand, is very similar in basic shape to the lion in the Brabant coat of arms. Over that both crowns are very different, the anchor-lion wears a duke's crown very well fitting to the duchy of Brabant, the Düsseldorf lion's crown is that of a baron! Attached Images Last edited by corrado26; 7th January 2024 at 04:00 PM.

8th January 2024, 12:19 AM	#2
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,785	Udo, thank you for the clarification. I see what you mean on the Dusseldorf lion etc. so while the similarity is compelling, clearly not directly associated. The 'anchor' seems to often create misperception presuming naval connotation. Also,on the splitting of the name spelling. That explains it, and Cel7 thanks again for the responses.

11th January 2024, 02:30 PM	#3
Richard G Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 402	I believe the Coat of Arms of the Netherlands contains a crowned lion wielding a sword; a symbol of the monarch. The other hand should be grasping a bunch of arrows. This is difficult to distinguish on this dirk. Perhaps in this case the fact that the lion is leaning on an anchor merely indicates a naval connection rather than being an integral part of the coat of arms and it is simply, as originally thought, a dutch naval dirk. Best wishes Richard

13th January 2024, 04:28 AM	#5
Hotspur Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Nipmuc USA Posts: 491	What about Finland guys? Bavaria has river police. The Rhine flows to the Meuse. Cheers GC