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21st May 2006, 03:41 PM | #1 |
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These are the sample of Raja Gundala pamor too.
I have 7 blades which have raja gundala pamor. In this picture you will find the figure of the " puthut ". In this picture you will find 2 raja gundala pamor. The first one is in the " sor-soran"...you will find the figure of sitting tiger. ( this is raja gundala pamor ???? ) The second one is in the middle of blade ( near the top of picture )...you will find the figure of ghost. ( this is real raja gundala pamor ). In this picture you will find the figure of human ( or Ghost? ) in the top of sogokan. In my imagination is look like "wali"...look at the hat...and look the hand with "chi" ready to send hehehehe. |
21st May 2006, 04:10 PM | #2 |
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Thanks fror the pictures Satria. Is the first one truly and example of Raja Gundala? It appears to be accentuated with carving, not merely the pamor itself.
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That is not carving....actually in the edge of body of puthut figure is the line of sogokan. Sorry the picture is not good enough. This is the other side of that "sor-soran".....still puthut figure too but not so clear like the other one.This picture is not good enough too.....sorry. |
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21st May 2006, 10:16 PM | #4 |
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Being skeptical about the first Raja Gundala figure being unimproved myself ; it's just too realistic . The other side does look more naturally occurring ; no insult intended here Satria .
I'm interested in finding out more about this ; but it seems to me as a Westerner that these interpretations of random pamor patterns are pretty subjective . As I said on this subject in my earlier post " like interpreting the shapes of clouds " ; it's in the eye of the beholder . |
22nd May 2006, 12:10 AM | #5 |
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Nice photos ! Interesting stuff. The truth is that generally some images/forms are too obvious and of course as Rick said, others maybe just wissfull thinking. Being interested more in the esoteric and the pamor aspect, I have an affection for Raja Guntala. I'll try to post a photo of a very interesting tiban with 5 images in the sor-soran area, one of them a flykick! But I am trying to find the possible tanguh of this keris and the dapur. It isn't tilam upih, is it? |
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AHA! FINALLY SOMETHING RELATING TO KERIS I AM GOOD AT I CAN SEE THE THINGS YOU POINT OUT AS WELL AS A FEW OTHER THINGS. MY FAVORITE KERIS IS LIKE LOOKING AT FLAMES, SMOKE AND CLOUDS YOU CAN SEE MANY DIFFERENT THINGS AT DIFFERENT TIMES AND OFTEN MANY THINGS AT ONCE.
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23rd May 2006, 07:08 PM | #9 |
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Mr Lei Seh Dao, Your earliar picture of Raja Gundolo is not a FISH? It is actually a symbol of "LAM ALIF" or "LAM JALALA". One of the Arabic letter of alphabet. I suspect that it is not tiban. It is a planned pamor. No doubt, it is indeed a very good pamor symbol in a keris. Mr Satria, I'm sorry but I have to agree with Ricky. The pamor Pendita you are having is not a pamor tiban. To have both side having the same looking picture made it worse to be categorized as pamor tiban. However, it is a very good effort to make the pamor to look like a Raja Gundolo. By the way guys? What pink light are you guys talking about? The shape of the pamors have been highlighted with different colours for easy viewing. |
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Thank for your comment. Actually I will not claim that pamor raja gundala ( pandita ) in that keris is original. My point is just showing the sample of pamor raja gundala....and that is not carving stuff. I ever post that keris in this forum with question old keris or reforging keris.( please search use my name ). Some people said that keris is Pajang era, but in my opinion that keris is reforging keris from old material. The problem is......that raja gundala pamor ( pendita ) maybe not "pamor tiban ", so maybe "pamor rekan". . I hope you got my point. In my opinion....original pamor raja gundala is Tiban ( unplanning ) and another people must be so easy to image the illustrate of pamor raja gundala ( ex. human, ghost, animal ).....and of course from old keris is much better ************ Just for info....this is part of my collection : http://midinakeris.fotopic.net/ thanks. |
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