A dha a day.

Titus Pullo · 1st August 2006, 04:49 AM

Thanks PUFF for the translation. We appreate it a lot!

drdavid · 8th August 2006, 09:19 AM

Hi all, herewith as suggested by Puff pictures and dimensions of tang on this piece. Hopefully you might be able to suggest an age. Also Puff you suggested that it was missing some pieces, what would you suggest is missing.
The tang is 115mm long, and 18mm wide and 8 mm thick at the junction with the blade. From the excellent advice provided earlier in the thread I can say up close the tip seems to be Hua LukKai
cheers
Drd

Ian · 9th August 2006, 05:33 AM

Puff:

While you are helping out Dr David, would you mind classifying the tip on this daab. I'm of several minds what to call it, and even after viewing your pictures I'm not sure.

Thanks.

Ian.

wilked aka Khun Deng · 9th August 2006, 11:08 AM

Puff, I too am interested in that tip. And thanks for the boost in my confidence that my translation wasn't too far off, you did, as Andrew mentioned, add much that wouldn't be apparent from just a literal translation.

My apologies for not contacting you while in Thailand, between serious computer problems and getting a house set-up in Lop Buri ... well next time I'll come more prepared I promise.

As for the pictures of the swords of at the national museum. About two years(?) ago Khun Jarunee, one of the curators there was kind enough to take them down and have them photographed for us. She put them in a data base program called ACDsee which I am unfamiliar with (but I got it to print). I've been meaning to get the provenance she supplied translated, but it is once again another project that has been put to the rear. I can't promise that it'll get done anytime soon as I left the disk at the house in Lop Buri. Ian has a copy though (hint hint).

Khun Dang

PUFF · 10th August 2006, 11:23 AM

I asked Khun Bancha about drdavid's blade tang. His suggestion is tang's style 's not old Ayuthaya. Could be 80-150 yo northern Thailand (Lumpang Utaradit or near by cities). The round/spatulated tang tip 's related to some nothern Thailand samples.

Khun Dang 's blade 's difinitly Hua LukKai while Ian 's blade 's something between Hua LukKai and Hua PlaLod. I would like to put this one in Hua LukKai since its little beak might be used in the same way with that of Dahb Hua LukKai, which, I heard from MA, used for jabbing (into opponent 's wrist or arm) and disable one's combat ability.

drdavid · 10th August 2006, 12:45 PM

Hi Puff
thanks for that. With my piece do you think it would have had a coin on the butt end (I have another which does and it looks like the same size hole to take a little nail in the centre of a coin)? Also is it likely to have had a spacer or metal collar near the hilt as the tang does not quite fit all the way into the hilt (I am pretty sure it is not just a blocked hole). Thanks again.
DrD

Ian · 10th August 2006, 01:02 PM

Puff:

Thanks for the help.

Ian.

8th August 2006, 09:19 AM	#2
drdavid Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 369	tang dimensions Hi all, herewith as suggested by Puff pictures and dimensions of tang on this piece. Hopefully you might be able to suggest an age. Also Puff you suggested that it was missing some pieces, what would you suggest is missing. The tang is 115mm long, and 18mm wide and 8 mm thick at the junction with the blade. From the excellent advice provided earlier in the thread I can say up close the tip seems to be Hua LukKai cheers Drd Attached Images

9th August 2006, 11:08 AM	#4
wilked aka Khun Deng Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Oahu, Hawaii Posts: 166	Interested Puff, I too am interested in that tip. And thanks for the boost in my confidence that my translation wasn't too far off, you did, as Andrew mentioned, add much that wouldn't be apparent from just a literal translation. My apologies for not contacting you while in Thailand, between serious computer problems and getting a house set-up in Lop Buri ... well next time I'll come more prepared I promise. As for the pictures of the swords of at the national museum. About two years(?) ago Khun Jarunee, one of the curators there was kind enough to take them down and have them photographed for us. She put them in a data base program called ACDsee which I am unfamiliar with (but I got it to print). I've been meaning to get the provenance she supplied translated, but it is once again another project that has been put to the rear. I can't promise that it'll get done anytime soon as I left the disk at the house in Lop Buri. Ian has a copy though (hint hint). Khun Dang Attached Images

10th August 2006, 11:23 AM	#5
PUFF Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 30 miles north of Bangkok, 20 miles south of Ayuthaya, Thailand Posts: 224	I asked Khun Bancha about drdavid's blade tang. His suggestion is tang's style 's not old Ayuthaya. Could be 80-150 yo northern Thailand (Lumpang Utaradit or near by cities). The round/spatulated tang tip 's related to some nothern Thailand samples. Khun Dang 's blade 's difinitly Hua LukKai while Ian 's blade 's something between Hua LukKai and Hua PlaLod. I would like to put this one in Hua LukKai since its little beak might be used in the same way with that of Dahb Hua LukKai, which, I heard from MA, used for jabbing (into opponent 's wrist or arm) and disable one's combat ability. Last edited by PUFF; 10th August 2006 at 11:34 AM.

10th August 2006, 12:45 PM	#6
drdavid Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 369	Thank you Hi Puff thanks for that. With my piece do you think it would have had a coin on the butt end (I have another which does and it looks like the same size hole to take a little nail in the centre of a coin)? Also is it likely to have had a spacer or metal collar near the hilt as the tang does not quite fit all the way into the hilt (I am pretty sure it is not just a blocked hole). Thanks again. DrD Attached Images

1st August 2006, 04:49 AM	#1
Titus Pullo Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 123	Thanks PUFF for the translation. We appreate it a lot!

9th August 2006, 05:33 AM	#3
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,048	Puff: While you are helping out Dr David, would you mind classifying the tip on this daab. I'm of several minds what to call it, and even after viewing your pictures I'm not sure. Thanks. Ian.

10th August 2006, 01:02 PM	#7
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,048	Puff: Thanks for the help. Ian.