An amalgmation of Europe and Asia, Shamshir

Kmaddock · 30th January 2024, 09:02 AM

Hi All
Picked up this interesting sword yesterday evening in a trade,

Abused and then abused some more
Total length 35 inches and sharp

Obviously needs the blade cleaning but great to see the pattern emerging from the dirt and grime, hope the pics come out OK

Ran out of sand paper grade 2000 so have stopped cleaning for the moment.

The handle from an European Briquet but together a while I think.

No back story just out of an old collection even had an old scabbard with it

No Idea on the writing or imagery, I did not even know how to take pics of it as what is up and what is down. Can anyone advise on blade age and translation.

Jim I think this is one you would like as it has been there ;-)

Keep well,

Ken

fernando · 30th January 2024, 09:13 AM

Amazing setup. Maybe not a real briquet handle ?

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GePi · 30th January 2024, 11:11 AM

Interesting blade! The cartouche on the flat is not surprising, it reads amal-e Assadullah Esfahani - work of Assad Allah of Isfahan.

The inscription on the spine is beyond my paygrade, although I think I can make out a few words. I do not know if someone competent in arabic/persian/turkish translation still posts here, the last post by kwiatek was almost two years ago responding to a translation request of mine

I would advise to try to take better pictures though, preferably without glare, and I don't think the whole inscription in the posted pictures.

Kmaddock · 31st January 2024, 08:48 PM

Thanks GePi

Fernando why do you think the handle might not be a real one were these copied by traditional makers?
It is old for certain
Thanks
Ken

corrado26 · 1st February 2024, 07:40 AM

The model for the piece shown may have been the French infantry saber M an 9, but it differs significantly from this local ordnance piece. The material thickness of the handrail is significantly thicker at the transition to the handle and the shape does not correspond to the original. I am also of the opinion that the really sophisticated blade and the grip did not originally belong together.

Kmaddock · 1st February 2024, 09:48 AM

Thanks Corrado,

They have been together a long time, the guy I got it off had it for 40 years he said it was expensive when he got it but was happy to move it on in a trade, I just like it for what it is to be honest.

I am not sure if the peening that i see is the original blade remnants in the handle or the blade that is presently there, The present blade might just be held in with glue or resin

Regards,

ken

David R · 9th February 2024, 11:58 PM

Looks familiar, and I might have seen it on another forum. I had one like this some years ago, a nice wootz shamshir blade, stuck into a poor casting from a Victorian bandsman's sword.
I let it go, not really knowing what to do with it, I do now, but the sword is long gone.

fernando · 1st February 2024, 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kmaddock

Thanks GePi

Fernando why do you think the handle might not be a real one were these copied by traditional makers?
It is old for certain
Thanks
Ken

Udo said it all ...

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30th January 2024, 09:02 AM	#1
Kmaddock Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Ireland Posts: 533	An amalgmation of Europe and Asia, Shamshir Hi All Picked up this interesting sword yesterday evening in a trade, Abused and then abused some more Total length 35 inches and sharp Obviously needs the blade cleaning but great to see the pattern emerging from the dirt and grime, hope the pics come out OK Ran out of sand paper grade 2000 so have stopped cleaning for the moment. The handle from an European Briquet but together a while I think. No back story just out of an old collection even had an old scabbard with it No Idea on the writing or imagery, I did not even know how to take pics of it as what is up and what is down. Can anyone advise on blade age and translation. Jim I think this is one you would like as it has been there ;-) Keep well, Ken Attached Images

1st February 2024, 07:40 AM	#5
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,171	The model for the piece shown may have been the French infantry saber M an 9, but it differs significantly from this local ordnance piece. The material thickness of the handrail is significantly thicker at the transition to the handle and the shape does not correspond to the original. I am also of the opinion that the really sophisticated blade and the grip did not originally belong together. Attached Images

30th January 2024, 09:13 AM	#2
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,644	Amazing setup. Maybe not a real briquet handle ? .

30th January 2024, 11:11 AM	#3
GePi Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Germany Posts: 93	Interesting blade! The cartouche on the flat is not surprising, it reads amal-e Assadullah Esfahani - work of Assad Allah of Isfahan. The inscription on the spine is beyond my paygrade, although I think I can make out a few words. I do not know if someone competent in arabic/persian/turkish translation still posts here, the last post by kwiatek was almost two years ago responding to a translation request of mine I would advise to try to take better pictures though, preferably without glare, and I don't think the whole inscription in the posted pictures.

31st January 2024, 08:48 PM	#4
Kmaddock Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Ireland Posts: 533	Thanks GePi Fernando why do you think the handle might not be a real one were these copied by traditional makers? It is old for certain Thanks Ken

1st February 2024, 09:48 AM	#6
Kmaddock Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Ireland Posts: 533	Thanks Corrado, They have been together a long time, the guy I got it off had it for 40 years he said it was expensive when he got it but was happy to move it on in a trade, I just like it for what it is to be honest. I am not sure if the peening that i see is the original blade remnants in the handle or the blade that is presently there, The present blade might just be held in with glue or resin Regards, ken

9th February 2024, 11:58 PM	#7
David R Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 1,053	Looks familiar, and I might have seen it on another forum. I had one like this some years ago, a nice wootz shamshir blade, stuck into a poor casting from a Victorian bandsman's sword. I let it go, not really knowing what to do with it, I do now, but the sword is long gone.