NEW HEBRIDES CLUB FORMS

VANDOO · 18th October 2016, 01:50 AM

PICTURE #1., #2., #3. ONE OF MY CLUBS. NEW HEBRIDES , EITHER API OR MALLICOLLA ISLAND. 43 INCHES LONG. MISSING THE LUG AT THE BUTT OF THE CLUB AND THE FIBER AND HUMAN HAIR CORD WRAP. GOOD PATINA A LARGE HEAVY CLUB IRONWOOD. PICTURE #5 CLUB BUTT WOULD BE SIMILAR IF COMPLETE.
#4., #5., #6. 40 INCHES, PENTECOST OR AMBRYN ISLAND NEW HEBRIDES.
#7., #8., #9. TWO VARIATIONS OF MY NEW HEBRIDES CLUBS
#10., # 11., #12. ANOTHER VARIATION OF MINE SHOWING THE DESIGN ON THE CLUB BUTT. AND THE CLUB WITH TWO OTHER NEW HEBRIDES CLUBS.

VANDOO · 22nd October 2016, 04:02 AM

A FEW MORE CLUBS IDENTIFIED AS FROM NEW HEBRIDES. THESE FORMS PROBABLY OCCUR ON OTHER GROUPS OF ISLANDS IN THE AREA AS WELL.
#1., #2., #3. TWO CLUB VARIATIONS
#4., #5., #6. TWO MORE SIMILAR VARIATIONS.
#7. 1774 OLD WEAPONS PRINT, VANUATU

VANDOO · 14th December 2016, 09:14 PM

#1. PICTURE OF MAP SHOWING NEW HEBRIDES SPECIFICALLY
#2. PICTURE OF THE REGION SHOWING OTHER ISLAND GROUPS.
#3. & #4 MY CLUB IDENTIFIED AS FROM NEW BRITAIN, SULKA TRIBE BUT IS VERY SIMILAR TO A NEW HEBRIDES CLUB SHOWN ABOVE BUT MINE IS MORE RECENT BUT NOT NEW.

kronckew · 15th December 2016, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by VANDOO

#1. PICTURE OF MAP SHOWING NEW HEBRIDES SPECIFICALLY
#2. PICTURE OF THE REGION SHOWING OTHER ISLAND GROUPS.
#3. & #4 MY CLUB IDENTIFIED AS FROM NEW BRITAIN, SULKA TRIBE BUT IS VERY SIMILAR TO A NEW HEBRIDES CLUB SHOWN ABOVE BUT MINE IS MORE RECENT BUT NOT NEW.

#3/#4 reminds me of this club of mine; i have not been sure where it came from. guess i do now

VANDOO · 15th December 2016, 07:50 PM

A NICE EXAMPLE AND I AGREE ITS LIKELY FROM THE SAME GENERAL AREA AND TRIBAL GROUP AS MY EXAMPLE. NO DOUBT THERE ARE SIMILAR FORMS THRU-OUT THE REGION AND PERHAPS TRADE FROM ISLAND TO ISLAND AND TRIBE TO TRIBE SO SIMILARITY'S NO DOUBT DO EXIST.

BANDOOK · 15th December 2016, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by VANDOO

PICTURE #1., #2., #3. ONE OF MY CLUBS. NEW HEBRIDES , EITHER API OR MALLICOLLA ISLAND. 43 INCHES LONG. MISSING THE LUG AT THE BUTT OF THE CLUB AND THE FIBER AND HUMAN HAIR CORD WRAP. GOOD PATINA A LARGE HEAVY CLUB IRONWOOD. PICTURE #5 CLUB BUTT WOULD BE SIMILAR IF COMPLETE.
#4., #5., #6. 40 INCHES, PENTECOST OR AMBRYN ISLAND NEW HEBRIDES.
#7., #8., #9. TWO VARIATIONS OF MY NEW HEBRIDES CLUBS
#10., # 11., #12. ANOTHER VARIATION OF MINE SHOWING THE DESIGN ON THE CLUB BUTT. AND THE CLUB WITH TWO OTHER NEW HEBRIDES CLUBS.

HI VANDOO
HERE IS ONE WHICH I OWN SIMILAR TO YOUR TYPE,ITS QUIET HEAVY BUT DONT KNOW AGE,COULD BE USED AS A CEREMONIAL CLUB AS OPPOSED TO A WAR CLUB.
LENGTH IS 47 INCHES
WIDTH 3 INCHES

VANDOO · 15th December 2016, 06:23 PM

A VERY NICE EXAMPLE AND WITH NO DAMAGE. MY EXAMPLE IS MADE OF A VERY HEAVY HARD WOOD AND WOULD BE TOO HEAVY FOR ANY LONG CEREMONIES OR DANCES, AT LEAST IT WOULD BE FOR ME.

I SUSPECT THEY WERE ORIGINALLY WAR CLUBS AND IN THESE TWO EXAMPLES RETAIN THE ORIGINAL MATERIALS AND FORM EVEN IF MADE AFTER THE TIMES WHEN WAR CLUBS WERE STILL IN USE. I AM SURE THE SHAPE HAS TRIBAL MEANING OR REPRESENTS SOMETHING IN THE SPIRITUAL WORLD OR NATURE A SPIRAL SHELL PERHAPS? WAS IT A SPECIAL CLUB CARRIED ONLY BY A CHIEF OR ONLY AT CERTAIN TIMES OF THE YEAR ON SPECIAL OCCASIONS OR A FORM OF CLUB ANYONE COULD OWN AND USE. UNFORTUNATELY WE ARE LEFT MOSTLY WITH CONJECTURE AND GUESS ON ALL THESE QUESTIONS. THANKS FOR POSTING THE VERY COOL CLUB.

BANDOOK · 16th December 2016, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by VANDOO

A VERY NICE EXAMPLE AND WITH NO DAMAGE. MY EXAMPLE IS MADE OF A VERY HEAVY HARD WOOD AND WOULD BE TOO HEAVY FOR ANY LONG CEREMONIES OR DANCES, AT LEAST IT WOULD BE FOR ME.

I SUSPECT THEY WERE ORIGINALLY WAR CLUBS AND IN THESE TWO EXAMPLES RETAIN THE ORIGINAL MATERIALS AND FORM EVEN IF MADE AFTER THE TIMES WHEN WAR CLUBS WERE STILL IN USE. I AM SURE THE SHAPE HAS TRIBAL MEANING OR REPRESENTS SOMETHING IN THE SPIRITUAL WORLD OR NATURE A SPIRAL SHELL PERHAPS? WAS IT A SPECIAL CLUB CARRIED ONLY BY A CHIEF OR ONLY AT CERTAIN TIMES OF THE YEAR ON SPECIAL OCCASIONS OR A FORM OF CLUB ANYONE COULD OWN AND USE. UNFORTUNATELY WE ARE LEFT MOSTLY WITH CONJECTURE AND GUESS ON ALL THESE QUESTIONS. THANKS FOR POSTING THE VERY COOL CLUB.

Thanks Vandoo,This is quiet heavy and kept handy at the entrance as could give a good blow ,if needed to the unwelcome visitor,COULD YOU TELL ME THE AREA IT COMES FROM IN NEW HEBRIDES,CHEERS

VANDOO · 24th December 2016, 01:09 AM

#1. #2., & #3. THREE CLUBS, NEW HEBRIDES KNOWN TODAY AS VANUATU, 103 CM., 99 CM. , 93 CM. LONG
#4. NEW HEBRIDES CLUB 41.5 CM. LONG
#5. VANUATU PADDLE CLUB 19TH. CENTURY 51.5 INCHES LONG.
#6.FOUR CLUBS, TWO FROM NEW HEBRIDES, ONE FROM NEW GUINEA AND ONE KIRIBATI SHARK TOOTH SWORD.
#7. & #8. NEW HEBRIDES CLUB 23 INCHES LONG 19 TH. CENTURY
#9. NEW HEBRIDES CLUB 36 INCHES 19TH CENTURY
#10. & #11. NEW HEBRIDES CLUB MALEKUA ISLAND 43 INCHES LONG
#12. VANUATU CLUB, NEW HEBRIDES 19TH CENTURY 31.5 INCHES LONG

VANDOO · 24th December 2016, 01:38 AM

#1., #2. & #3. MINE ,NEW HEBRIDES. 27.5 INCHES LONG
#4. NEW HEBRIDES 121 CM. LONG, AMBRYN ISLANDS
#5. & #6. REFERRED TO AS FOOTSTAMP, 2 DIFFERENT DESIGNS AT BUTT OF CLUBS, CIRCA 1860, OTHER INFORMATION TELUGHMOTI ? AND ERROMANGA ISLAND.
#7. NEW HEBRIDES AKA VANUATU CLUB
#8. NEW HEBRIDES " " "
#9. & #10. TWO PICTURES SHOWING A VARIETY OF CLUBS FROM NEW HEBRIDES.
#11. NEW HEBRIDES, ERROMANGA ISLAND, 109 CM. LONG
#12. NEW HEBRIDES AKA VANUATU CLUB, AMBRYN ISLAND

VANDOO · 24th December 2016, 06:20 PM

#1., #2. THESE TWO CLUBS APPEAR IN SOME OF THE POSTS ABOVE AND ARE NOT FROM NEW HEBRIDES, #1. IS A OLD MASSIM CLUB FROM NEW GUINEA MADE OF BLACK PALM WOOD WITH CARVING. #2. IS FROM THE SOLOMON ISLANDS AROUND WW1 ERA SAYS REMEMBER ME ON ONE SIDE GOOD HEAVY WOOD AND BALANCE.
#3.WARRIOR WITH CLUB NEW HEBRIDES, VAO ISLAND
#4. NEW HEBRIDES, PENTECOST ISLAND
#5. NEW HEBRIDES, AMBRYN ISLAND
#6.NEW HEBRIDES STONE HEADED CLUB, 107 CM. LONG
#7.NEW HEBRIDES CLUB
#8. NEW HEBRIDES WORKERS BY FIELD
#9. NEW HEBRIDES
#10. NEW HEBRIDES , EFATE CLUB
#11. NEW HEBRIDES 19TH CENTURY, TANNA ISLAND CLUB AND AX
#12. NEW HEBRIDES CLUB

18th October 2016, 01:50 AM	#1
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	PICTURE #1., #2., #3. ONE OF MY CLUBS. NEW HEBRIDES , EITHER API OR MALLICOLLA ISLAND. 43 INCHES LONG. MISSING THE LUG AT THE BUTT OF THE CLUB AND THE FIBER AND HUMAN HAIR CORD WRAP. GOOD PATINA A LARGE HEAVY CLUB IRONWOOD. PICTURE #5 CLUB BUTT WOULD BE SIMILAR IF COMPLETE. #4., #5., #6. 40 INCHES, PENTECOST OR AMBRYN ISLAND NEW HEBRIDES. #7., #8., #9. TWO VARIATIONS OF MY NEW HEBRIDES CLUBS #10., # 11., #12. ANOTHER VARIATION OF MINE SHOWING THE DESIGN ON THE CLUB BUTT. AND THE CLUB WITH TWO OTHER NEW HEBRIDES CLUBS. Attached Images Last edited by VANDOO; 18th October 2016 at 04:59 PM.

22nd October 2016, 04:02 AM	#2
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	A FEW MORE CLUBS IDENTIFIED AS FROM NEW HEBRIDES. THESE FORMS PROBABLY OCCUR ON OTHER GROUPS OF ISLANDS IN THE AREA AS WELL. #1., #2., #3. TWO CLUB VARIATIONS #4., #5., #6. TWO MORE SIMILAR VARIATIONS. #7. 1774 OLD WEAPONS PRINT, VANUATU Attached Images

14th December 2016, 09:14 PM	#3
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	#1. PICTURE OF MAP SHOWING NEW HEBRIDES SPECIFICALLY #2. PICTURE OF THE REGION SHOWING OTHER ISLAND GROUPS. #3. & #4 MY CLUB IDENTIFIED AS FROM NEW BRITAIN, SULKA TRIBE BUT IS VERY SIMILAR TO A NEW HEBRIDES CLUB SHOWN ABOVE BUT MINE IS MORE RECENT BUT NOT NEW. Attached Images

15th December 2016, 07:50 PM	#5
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	A NICE EXAMPLE AND I AGREE ITS LIKELY FROM THE SAME GENERAL AREA AND TRIBAL GROUP AS MY EXAMPLE. NO DOUBT THERE ARE SIMILAR FORMS THRU-OUT THE REGION AND PERHAPS TRADE FROM ISLAND TO ISLAND AND TRIBE TO TRIBE SO SIMILARITY'S NO DOUBT DO EXIST.

15th December 2016, 06:23 PM	#7
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	A VERY NICE EXAMPLE AND WITH NO DAMAGE. MY EXAMPLE IS MADE OF A VERY HEAVY HARD WOOD AND WOULD BE TOO HEAVY FOR ANY LONG CEREMONIES OR DANCES, AT LEAST IT WOULD BE FOR ME. I SUSPECT THEY WERE ORIGINALLY WAR CLUBS AND IN THESE TWO EXAMPLES RETAIN THE ORIGINAL MATERIALS AND FORM EVEN IF MADE AFTER THE TIMES WHEN WAR CLUBS WERE STILL IN USE. I AM SURE THE SHAPE HAS TRIBAL MEANING OR REPRESENTS SOMETHING IN THE SPIRITUAL WORLD OR NATURE A SPIRAL SHELL PERHAPS? WAS IT A SPECIAL CLUB CARRIED ONLY BY A CHIEF OR ONLY AT CERTAIN TIMES OF THE YEAR ON SPECIAL OCCASIONS OR A FORM OF CLUB ANYONE COULD OWN AND USE. UNFORTUNATELY WE ARE LEFT MOSTLY WITH CONJECTURE AND GUESS ON ALL THESE QUESTIONS. THANKS FOR POSTING THE VERY COOL CLUB.

24th December 2016, 01:09 AM	#9
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	#1. #2., & #3. THREE CLUBS, NEW HEBRIDES KNOWN TODAY AS VANUATU, 103 CM., 99 CM. , 93 CM. LONG #4. NEW HEBRIDES CLUB 41.5 CM. LONG #5. VANUATU PADDLE CLUB 19TH. CENTURY 51.5 INCHES LONG. #6.FOUR CLUBS, TWO FROM NEW HEBRIDES, ONE FROM NEW GUINEA AND ONE KIRIBATI SHARK TOOTH SWORD. #7. & #8. NEW HEBRIDES CLUB 23 INCHES LONG 19 TH. CENTURY #9. NEW HEBRIDES CLUB 36 INCHES 19TH CENTURY #10. & #11. NEW HEBRIDES CLUB MALEKUA ISLAND 43 INCHES LONG #12. VANUATU CLUB, NEW HEBRIDES 19TH CENTURY 31.5 INCHES LONG Attached Images

24th December 2016, 01:38 AM	#10
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	#1., #2. & #3. MINE ,NEW HEBRIDES. 27.5 INCHES LONG #4. NEW HEBRIDES 121 CM. LONG, AMBRYN ISLANDS #5. & #6. REFERRED TO AS FOOTSTAMP, 2 DIFFERENT DESIGNS AT BUTT OF CLUBS, CIRCA 1860, OTHER INFORMATION TELUGHMOTI ? AND ERROMANGA ISLAND. #7. NEW HEBRIDES AKA VANUATU CLUB #8. NEW HEBRIDES " " " #9. & #10. TWO PICTURES SHOWING A VARIETY OF CLUBS FROM NEW HEBRIDES. #11. NEW HEBRIDES, ERROMANGA ISLAND, 109 CM. LONG #12. NEW HEBRIDES AKA VANUATU CLUB, AMBRYN ISLAND Attached Images

24th December 2016, 06:20 PM	#11
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	#1., #2. THESE TWO CLUBS APPEAR IN SOME OF THE POSTS ABOVE AND ARE NOT FROM NEW HEBRIDES, #1. IS A OLD MASSIM CLUB FROM NEW GUINEA MADE OF BLACK PALM WOOD WITH CARVING. #2. IS FROM THE SOLOMON ISLANDS AROUND WW1 ERA SAYS REMEMBER ME ON ONE SIDE GOOD HEAVY WOOD AND BALANCE. #3.WARRIOR WITH CLUB NEW HEBRIDES, VAO ISLAND #4. NEW HEBRIDES, PENTECOST ISLAND #5. NEW HEBRIDES, AMBRYN ISLAND #6.NEW HEBRIDES STONE HEADED CLUB, 107 CM. LONG #7.NEW HEBRIDES CLUB #8. NEW HEBRIDES WORKERS BY FIELD #9. NEW HEBRIDES #10. NEW HEBRIDES , EFATE CLUB #11. NEW HEBRIDES 19TH CENTURY, TANNA ISLAND CLUB AND AX #12. NEW HEBRIDES CLUB Attached Images Last edited by VANDOO; 24th December 2016 at 06:48 PM.