machete

fernando · 16th January 2023, 04:00 PM

Everyone knows that good old Albert was a plagiarist

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Edster · 16th January 2023, 09:17 PM

David & Fernando,

I initially thought that Yogi Berra was the sayer, but then additional searches
credited Albert. But then again...

"Pablo Picasso is widely quoted as having said that Â“good artists borrow, great artists steal.Â” Whether or not Picasso was truly the first person to voice this idea is in some dispute."

Even someone once claimed there is a dialectal relationship between Theory & Practice as practice informs how the theory may evolve/be improved/be developed based on the realities exposed via real world applications.

Still, I think we can all agree there is an elegance to the original rendition. :-)

Best regards,
Ed

David · 17th January 2023, 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fernando

Everyone knows that good old Albert was a plagiarist

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LOL!

Frankly i think misattributions to the origins of quotes is more an artifact of social media than anything else. I don't think Einstein, if he did indeed ever say this, did so with the intention of claiming credit for the quote.

milandro · 18th January 2023, 01:43 PM

I think the machete which originated this thread is mass-produced by Collins

I have had two from Guatemala with an almost Identical scabbard

Collins had several factories in any central and South American countries.

The hilt of the OP seems to be alder than the ones I had ( sorry no pictures) .

Collins generally have marks for Collins Legitimus mine wa similar to this

Interested Party · 18th January 2023, 01:58 PM

An older Colins (1940s) often had a large stamp 1X2" or so from memory on the blade near the handle. The arm logo was part of the stamp. These were produced in the US if I recall correctly. I could not see any evidence of this stamp in the pictures, but the plastic did look like the material used in mass produced tools of that era.

milandro · 18th January 2023, 02:06 PM

certainly the original picture may be of a US Collins but the scabbard points, in my opinion, towards the ones made in Central and South America, there were many factories in these countries

I ma sure there were factories in Guatemala, Colombia and Brazil

Jim McDougall · 18th January 2023, 05:13 PM

I.P. and Milandro, thank you for returning the discussion to the machete!
As noted in Brinckerhoff & Chamberlain (1973) an image of a Collins type machete is shown (my post #20) and it is note that this firm was producing these from about mid 19th c. Naturally U.S. interests later in Central and South American countries would bring the firm to expand its presence into regions with such demand for these products.

16th January 2023, 04:00 PM	#1
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,650	Everyone knows that good old Albert was a plagiarist .

16th January 2023, 09:17 PM	#2
Edster Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 401	David & Fernando, I initially thought that Yogi Berra was the sayer, but then additional searches credited Albert. But then again... "Pablo Picasso is widely quoted as having said that Â“good artists borrow, great artists steal.Â” Whether or not Picasso was truly the first person to voice this idea is in some dispute." Even someone once claimed there is a dialectal relationship between Theory & Practice as practice informs how the theory may evolve/be improved/be developed based on the realities exposed via real world applications. Still, I think we can all agree there is an elegance to the original rendition. :-) Best regards, Ed

18th January 2023, 01:43 PM	#4
milandro Member Join Date: Jan 2022 Location: Netherlands Posts: 422	I think the machete which originated this thread is mass-produced by Collins I have had two from Guatemala with an almost Identical scabbard Collins had several factories in any central and South American countries. The hilt of the OP seems to be alder than the ones I had ( sorry no pictures) . Collins generally have marks for Collins Legitimus mine wa similar to this

18th January 2023, 01:58 PM	#5
Interested Party Member Join Date: Dec 2019 Location: Eastern Sierra Posts: 392	An older Colins (1940s) often had a large stamp 1X2" or so from memory on the blade near the handle. The arm logo was part of the stamp. These were produced in the US if I recall correctly. I could not see any evidence of this stamp in the pictures, but the plastic did look like the material used in mass produced tools of that era.

18th January 2023, 02:06 PM	#6
milandro Member Join Date: Jan 2022 Location: Netherlands Posts: 422	certainly the original picture may be of a US Collins but the scabbard points, in my opinion, towards the ones made in Central and South America, there were many factories in these countries I ma sure there were factories in Guatemala, Colombia and Brazil

18th January 2023, 05:13 PM	#7
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,785	I.P. and Milandro, thank you for returning the discussion to the machete! As noted in Brinckerhoff & Chamberlain (1973) an image of a Collins type machete is shown (my post #20) and it is note that this firm was producing these from about mid 19th c. Naturally U.S. interests later in Central and South American countries would bring the firm to expand its presence into regions with such demand for these products.