Another old shibriya

[motan]

Hi Yvain. Thanks for your response.
If you put up some pictures in this thread, I will tell you what I know about your shibriya. If relevant, I can also redirect you to some older threads on the subject. I must warn you though that good quality shibriyas, though not very valuable, are quite rare, so don't expect too much.

The second shibriya (green background) used to belong to Khanjar1 and was discussed some years ago. The rings attached to the chain are indeed seal rings of bedouin chieftains dated to around 1910, if I remember correctly.

[Klop]

Hi Motan,

nice daggers. Could you also post a picture of the backside of the handles?
I'm curiuous how the rings on the pommel are attached. Looks like solid blocks of brass with a hole, maybe hammered out like rivets on the backside?

Thanks,
Eric.

[Klop]

on second thought, your latest addition seems to have a U-shape bent strip (split pen) holding the ring. In that case I expect bent ends at the rear - which may be covered by backplate and thus invisible....

[motan]

Hi Klop,
Of course you are right. These rings are attached with a simple split pen, which is a petty. The majority of the older dagger are quite solid, but the ring is the first thing to get lost. Several of my daggers have a hole or and old repair where the ring should be and are therefore incomplete.
In the smaller dagger I showed in the my second post, the back side of the of the pommel is nicely finished, but this is quite rare. Mostly the bent arms of the split pen are visible. See a pic in this post.

[Klop]

Hi Motan,

great, thanks for the extra picture!
Yes, when carried every day it's understandable these things get damaged and also repaired again and again. Fortunately this method is cheap and could easily be fixed by just about anyone, no need to search for a dealer or send for repair :-) .


Kind regards,
Eric

[Yvain]

Hi Motan,

Sorry for the late reply, I had to wait for a day off to take pictures of my shibriya under natural light.


It was bought without provenance in France. As you can see, it is a very flashy, ornate, piece, although it exhibits some features characteristic of shibriya from the early XXth century. It does look fairly new which makes me think that it is a new piece in an older style, or that it is indeed old but was harshly cleaned by it's previous owner.


Regardless, it looks very nice in my opinion and the blade is really interesting.


Let me know what you think of it, and feel free to ask me if you need more information !


(Also, I would be very thankful if someone was able to translate the inscription on the sheath, as I don't read arabic myself.)

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by Yvain

It was bought without provenance in France. As you can see, it is a very flashy, ornate, piece, although it exhibits some features characteristic of shibriya from the early XXth century. It does look fairly new which makes me think that it is a new piece in an older style, or that it is indeed old but was harshly cleaned by it's previous owner.

Let me know what you think of it, and feel free to ask me if you need more information !

Hello Yvain,

I am not an expert by shibriyas but this looks to my eyes like a great antique example, special the blade is great!

I for my part think that this example is just cleaned, let it untouched for some time and the blinky touch is gone.

Motan will be able to tell you more but I like your example.

Regards,
Detlef