Unusual Kris Hilt for Comment

JeffS · 18th December 2023, 04:28 PM

Another. The carving is nicely done.

RobT · 18th December 2023, 11:47 PM

Thanks to all who replied,

Special thanks to SanibelSwassa and JeffS for providing examples that are so similar to my hilt. I do have a question for SanibelSwassa about his use of seko for horse hoof. I know the word kuda for horse hoof. Who are the people who use seko and who uses kuda?
So, Moro it is. This is good to know because I have a kris that needs a pommel and, if I'm feeling ambitious, I may decide to try to duplicate this fancy style (more than likely though, I will make a more conventional kuda hilt like the ones Sajen shows).

Sincerely,
RobT

Ian · 19th December 2023, 02:15 AM

It's interesting that all of these "horse hoof" pommels are accompanied by hilts reflecting other features of mid-20th C production, most notably the type of wraps on the grip section of the hilt. This is true for the bangkung as well. These all appear to be of Sulu origin. Whether the blades predate the dress is hard to say. I've seen old kris blades redressed in this style, similar to Sajen's and Jeff's examples.

RobT · 19th December 2023, 03:24 AM

Hi Ian,

Given the perfect condition of the wood, I would bet that my hilt is newer than the blade. My blade appears to be 19th century and I doubt that a hilt shape like the one currently on the blade could have survived undamaged (let alone unblemished) for that long a time. The hilt is also very solidly affixed which could indicate that it was recently placed. SanibelSuassa's kris blade appears to be 19th century. JeffS' blade and the second one shown by Sajen are possibly 19th century also. I don't think however, given the wear to the hilt wrap, that my hilt is very recent either. I would expect frequent carry would be needed to get that kind of damage.

Sincerely,
RobT

18th December 2023, 04:28 PM	#1
JeffS Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 308	Another. The carving is nicely done. Attached Images

18th December 2023, 11:47 PM	#2
RobT Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 456	Thanks for the Info Thanks to all who replied, Special thanks to SanibelSwassa and JeffS for providing examples that are so similar to my hilt. I do have a question for SanibelSwassa about his use of seko for horse hoof. I know the word kuda for horse hoof. Who are the people who use seko and who uses kuda? So, Moro it is. This is good to know because I have a kris that needs a pommel and, if I'm feeling ambitious, I may decide to try to duplicate this fancy style (more than likely though, I will make a more conventional kuda hilt like the ones Sajen shows). Sincerely, RobT

19th December 2023, 03:24 AM	#4
RobT Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 456	My Blade is Old Hi Ian, Given the perfect condition of the wood, I would bet that my hilt is newer than the blade. My blade appears to be 19th century and I doubt that a hilt shape like the one currently on the blade could have survived undamaged (let alone unblemished) for that long a time. The hilt is also very solidly affixed which could indicate that it was recently placed. SanibelSuassa's kris blade appears to be 19th century. JeffS' blade and the second one shown by Sajen are possibly 19th century also. I don't think however, given the wear to the hilt wrap, that my hilt is very recent either. I would expect frequent carry would be needed to get that kind of damage. Sincerely, RobT Last edited by RobT; 19th December 2023 at 03:26 AM. Reason: word deleted

19th December 2023, 02:15 AM	#3
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,041	It's interesting that all of these "horse hoof" pommels are accompanied by hilts reflecting other features of mid-20th C production, most notably the type of wraps on the grip section of the hilt. This is true for the bangkung as well. These all appear to be of Sulu origin. Whether the blades predate the dress is hard to say. I've seen old kris blades redressed in this style, similar to Sajen's and Jeff's examples.