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![]() Hi there,
I just got those two object. Can anyone date the powder horn? I think it should be 16th to 17th century?! It came with this 35cm long "ramrod" but actually I really doubt it is a ramrod. It is made from iron. The tip in form of a stylized lion is made from brass. Would be great if someone can identify those pieces. Best regards Andreas |
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![]() Hi Andreas,
Just a suggestion about the "ramrod"......could it be a spike for clearing the touch hole of a cannon? Stu |
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![]() That spike/rod is too large in diameter to enter the vent of an artillery piece.
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![]() Thanks for the comments! Anyone else an idea about this piece?
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![]() The shape of the unknown object is very similar to a butchers' steel for sharpening knives.
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![]() I think for a butcherīs steel the lion (which tahn would be the hilt) is too small. Also the shape of the lionīs "noise" wouldnīt make sens then, as it semms to be supposed to push something.
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![]() Why descarding the ramrod possibility, guys ?
In some cultures the ramrod is a separate device, often intrincate and highly decorated. You take the Turkish "Suma", for one (Stone page 587). Say Andreas, which is the thickness of that rod you are showing us? . |
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![]() Hi Fernando,
thanks for the input. The thikness of the iron part is max. 1,3cm, the lion is max. 1,5cm Cheers Andreas |
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![]() Hi Andreas
The flask looks to be a late 16th to early 17th Century staghorn type poeder flask. Although the metal parts are missing and the engraving seems a bit crude. Possibly done by an amature/hobbist on their first attempt. Here is a Forum Link from about 8 years ago that will give you a better idea of it's origins with comment from Matchlock. I was very fortunate to receive his comments. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=14271 The length of that rod would be about correct for many pistols. So it could be a Suma as Fernando mentions - with a spike end to double as a stabbing point in a back-up situation. Just my guess. Rick |
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![]() Hi Rick,
thanks for the link to the very interesting thread. Great to see the variety of examples of this staghorn flasks. Well, the artist of my one wasnīt the gifted one. That poor chap also has a broken sword ![]() I am still not sure about the "ramrod". Suma might be a possibility, but browsing the web I donīt have the feeling that it is one. But it is absolutely not my field... Best regards Andreas |
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![]() Could it be something as mundane as a hefty meat skewer?
Regards Richard |
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![]() Tell me the place where they serve meat with these skewers, so that i can take out one hidden under my jacket
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![]() These?
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![]() Now, i am largely convinced, Richard
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