Tboli Sudeng - input please

Marbel · 22nd May 2021, 11:04 PM

Thank you all for your comments and insights. Much appreciated and I’ll certainly be happy to hear anything more.

Xasterix - as an aside, a few years before he passed away I was able to communicate with Stuart Schlegel regarding his lifetime connection to the Teduray/Tiruray. I’d be very interested in knowing more about your studies of these people, specifically their material culture. My primary focus is on the Tboli and Blaan, but as you know the Teduray are the third in their specific language group.

Thank you again.

David · 23rd May 2021, 04:58 PM

Marbel, thanks for clarifying your opening post. As i noted, i am well aware that the Tboli people prized the Moro blades, but generally, once such blades were brought into the culture they were given a Tboli treatment in regards to dress. I am sure you have experienced this since you posted one of these not too long ago.
http://vikingsword.com/vb/showthread...ght=Tboli+kris
If you say this particular keris was in the possession of a Tboli datu i will certainly not doubt you. But i wonder under what circumstances since i would think if such a blade were to be actually used by a Tboli datu he would be likely to redress it to reflect his own culture.

Marbel · 23rd May 2021, 05:58 PM

Hello David,
Thank you again for your thoughts. Over the years I’ve been diligently working on research related to various aspects of Tboli culture, specifically material culture - weaving, garments, jewelry & adornment, musical instruments and of course weapons. I’ve only recently begun digging a bit deeper into the ‘sudeng’.

Certainly the original owners of these sudeng have passed away, but their family still have memories and tales. I’m trying to gather as much information as I can from these elders. As I come across new, interesting or definitive information I look forward to sharing it here.

As to this specific piece, I’m in communication with the family and will see what I can discover further (which may not be much). As to the sudeng in general, what I’ve found thus far is very much as one would expect. They were acquired in trade and as gifts for deeds and friendship. In the more distant past, wartime acquisition was likely as well. In terms of being modified or not, I’m finding that it was either a practical decision (a repair was required, a scabbard lost, etc) or a personal one (wanting to ‘redecorate’ or prizing it just as it was). It is interesting to note that whether modified or not, the Tboli refer to both as sudeng. In short, a Maguindanao piece acquired by the Tboli did not necessarily require any adjustments and many (relatively) remain today in their original state. Without preserving the provenance, once these old original pieces leave the mountains, their oftentimes 100+ year connection to their Tboli home will be lost forever.

Thanks again.

23rd May 2021, 05:58 PM	#3
Marbel Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 64	Tboli sudeng Hello David, Thank you again for your thoughts. Over the years I’ve been diligently working on research related to various aspects of Tboli culture, specifically material culture - weaving, garments, jewelry & adornment, musical instruments and of course weapons. I’ve only recently begun digging a bit deeper into the ‘sudeng’. Certainly the original owners of these sudeng have passed away, but their family still have memories and tales. I’m trying to gather as much information as I can from these elders. As I come across new, interesting or definitive information I look forward to sharing it here. As to this specific piece, I’m in communication with the family and will see what I can discover further (which may not be much). As to the sudeng in general, what I’ve found thus far is very much as one would expect. They were acquired in trade and as gifts for deeds and friendship. In the more distant past, wartime acquisition was likely as well. In terms of being modified or not, I’m finding that it was either a practical decision (a repair was required, a scabbard lost, etc) or a personal one (wanting to ‘redecorate’ or prizing it just as it was). It is interesting to note that whether modified or not, the Tboli refer to both as sudeng. In short, a Maguindanao piece acquired by the Tboli did not necessarily require any adjustments and many (relatively) remain today in their original state. Without preserving the provenance, once these old original pieces leave the mountains, their oftentimes 100+ year connection to their Tboli home will be lost forever. Thanks again.

22nd May 2021, 11:04 PM	#1
Marbel Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 64	Thank you all for your comments and insights. Much appreciated and I’ll certainly be happy to hear anything more. Xasterix - as an aside, a few years before he passed away I was able to communicate with Stuart Schlegel regarding his lifetime connection to the Teduray/Tiruray. I’d be very interested in knowing more about your studies of these people, specifically their material culture. My primary focus is on the Tboli and Blaan, but as you know the Teduray are the third in their specific language group. Thank you again.

23rd May 2021, 04:58 PM	#2
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,044	Marbel, thanks for clarifying your opening post. As i noted, i am well aware that the Tboli people prized the Moro blades, but generally, once such blades were brought into the culture they were given a Tboli treatment in regards to dress. I am sure you have experienced this since you posted one of these not too long ago. http://vikingsword.com/vb/showthread...ght=Tboli+kris If you say this particular keris was in the possession of a Tboli datu i will certainly not doubt you. But i wonder under what circumstances since i would think if such a blade were to be actually used by a Tboli datu he would be likely to redress it to reflect his own culture.