Sabre with unknown origins

AJ1356 · 11th July 2018, 04:43 AM

Ok so the words at the tip on both sides are not clear and thy kind of give context to the rest. The rest pretty clear, it has the name of Panj Tan (The Messenger of God, Muhammad [pbuh], his daughter Fatima, her husband Ali, their sons Hassan and Hussain [ar]), meaning it was owned by someone of the Shia branch of Islam. It looks like the letters were itched on is that correct or the pictures show it like that?

AJ1356 · 11th July 2018, 05:08 AM

On the tulwar the dots I feel are Indian motive. This was either a trade item or most likely a captured item that someone decided to customize. To whomever had it he would have known it or called it a shamshir (sword), and the other one would have been known as a saylaawa , Khyber knife is not what they are called, some areas may call it shuray , but mostly known as saylaawa. The writing are poems just need better pics of areas indicated with arrows.

kronckew · 11th July 2018, 01:45 PM

Better pics of the Khyber knife. He's cleaned the muck off them all a bit...

(I did tell him they are more locally called salawar, or salawar yataghans, but most western people still call them Khyber knives, as we discussed here before...)

kronckew · 11th July 2018, 01:49 PM

More from the talwar: in batches

kronckew · 11th July 2018, 01:51 PM

more:

kronckew · 11th July 2018, 01:52 PM

..and finally (Allah be praised!

)

AJ1356 · 12th July 2018, 02:44 PM

دران وقتیکه دختر داد با علی سر افرازش when he gave (in marriage) his daughter to Ali honored him.
شنیدستم که فخر آل آدم محمد پاشا هر دو عالم I have heard (that is the best I could make out of it) that pride of children of Adam, Muhammad king of both worlds.

11th July 2018, 04:43 AM	#1
AJ1356 Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Nashville Posts: 314	Ok so the words at the tip on both sides are not clear and thy kind of give context to the rest. The rest pretty clear, it has the name of Panj Tan (The Messenger of God, Muhammad [pbuh], his daughter Fatima, her husband Ali, their sons Hassan and Hussain [ar]), meaning it was owned by someone of the Shia branch of Islam. It looks like the letters were itched on is that correct or the pictures show it like that? Attached Images

11th July 2018, 05:08 AM	#2
AJ1356 Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Nashville Posts: 314	On the tulwar the dots I feel are Indian motive. This was either a trade item or most likely a captured item that someone decided to customize. To whomever had it he would have known it or called it a shamshir (sword), and the other one would have been known as a saylaawa , Khyber knife is not what they are called, some areas may call it shuray , but mostly known as saylaawa. The writing are poems just need better pics of areas indicated with arrows. Attached Images

11th July 2018, 01:45 PM	#3
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,152	Better pics of the Khyber knife. He's cleaned the muck off them all a bit... (I did tell him they are more locally called salawar, or salawar yataghans, but most western people still call them Khyber knives, as we discussed here before...) Attached Images Last edited by kronckew; 11th July 2018 at 02:08 PM.

11th July 2018, 01:49 PM	#4
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,152	More from the talwar: in batches Attached Images

11th July 2018, 01:51 PM	#5
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,152	more: Attached Images

11th July 2018, 01:52 PM	#6
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,152	..and finally (Allah be praised! ) Attached Images

12th July 2018, 02:44 PM	#7
AJ1356 Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Nashville Posts: 314	دران وقتیکه دختر داد با علی سر افرازش when he gave (in marriage) his daughter to Ali honored him. شنیدستم که فخر آل آدم محمد پاشا هر دو عالم I have heard (that is the best I could make out of it) that pride of children of Adam, Muhammad king of both worlds. Attached Images