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15th March 2023, 08:52 AM | #1 |
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Excellent finds Mark!
I can agree that the knob-ends on the quillons seem to be a germanic trait (Austrian to be more precise). The last sword has some very interesting fullers. Namely, 3-4 fullers, very narrow, very close together. This type of fullers will become quite common on sabre/dusack and backsword blades (of Austrian or North Italian manufacture) later on. Checkout these two Hungarian sabres, my guess from the 1550s to the 1590s. Also notice the gold wire wrap, another common trait on these mid-to-late 16th century Hungarian (and sometimes Polish) sabres. Makes me wonder if the wire wrap on the first sword you posted is a later addition. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showpo...9&postcount=39 https://skd-online-collection.skd.mu...s/Index/284576 ===================== I found this one, but can't get mo info on it. https://www.pius-kirchgessner.de/05_...e/Petrus_2.htm ================ One thing that puzzles me is the lack of one-handed examples, other than those on Dobromir's frescos. Last edited by Teisani; 15th March 2023 at 09:44 AM. |
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St Paul. C. 1465. Painting on Swiss stone pine. By Michael Pacher (ca. 1435-1498). https://www.alamy.de/st-paul-c-1465-...8&searchtype=0
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Saint Paul. Woodcut, c1530, by Hans Sebald Beham. Very poor detailing unfortunately.
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There are some, I will share another day. Mostly from further south, around Bosnia and Serbia. The sabers and large swords really do predominate within Hungary/Transylvania apparently. |
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That last sword with gold wire wrap is even more interesting. Other than the wrap being reminiscent of later sabres, this one also has "sabre-like" scabbard fitting. Checkout these scabbards.
The ========================= The main altar at the church St. Johannes und St. Martin in Schwabach. Finished in 1508. Another example that these multi-fullered blades were quite widespread, local details being more in the hilt. https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwabacher_Altar Last edited by Teisani; 17th March 2023 at 09:54 AM. |
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Found it! Kirche St. Peter und Paul in Heinfels, Austria https://www.heinfels.at/kirche-st--peter---paul.html
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To follow up on my earlier post on examples with Italian makers' marks, another important example is this one in Toronto, which I have seen in person. It was donated to the Mamluk armoury in Alexandria in 1436-37, giving a firm reference point for the earliest appearance of blades of this type.
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Hungarian King Ulaszló II grants Balázs Érki CoA. 1514 https://adatbazisokonline.mnl.gov.hu...s/adatlap/3823
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King Ulászló II grants CoA, 1500. Single fuller, rain guard and X pattern on the handle. Very Germanic?
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This may be relevant to our discussion.
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More swords from Southeastern Europe (Croatia)
Hey, here's 25 medieval swords from Croatia which were exhibited in Zagreb two years ago.
The exhibition catalogue of the swords is available (in a bit lower quality) to download if you follow the link and press the folder icon. https://www.hismus.hr/media/tours/ma...avno/index.htm Unfortunately, only the Croatian version is available for download online. There's a couple of interesting Schiavonescas in there |
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Actually the catalog does have the complete text in English after the Croatian text, so all the better for me! |
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