Kaskara with a peculiar maker mark

[werecow]

Ah interesting, thanks. I'm guessing that saber looks 18th century? How far back does the split fuller practice go?

[Jim McDougall]

In the original post, Mauro was hoping to find the probable origin of the blade on his unusual Sudanese saber. As Ed has well noted in his post #6, by proper classification this is clearly not a kaskara, which is by definition a Sudanese broadsword.

In my post #4, I noted a saber I have which has distinctly Sudanese characteristic elements, and as such I have deemed it a saber which is probably Sudanese.

While the discussion of these other saber blades from Aceh etc. is interesting it has little to do with the original question by Mauro.......how old is the blade on the most unusual saber he has, and the most salient element , the standing knight marking on the blade.

If I may reiterate my notes from previous post, the marking of the standing knight actually was fairly well known on Sudanese kaskaras (broadswords) but here is the point.......as far as I have known not on a saber blade in a kaskara style hilt. It is, again as noted earlier, the mark of Wilhelm Clauberg of Solingen.

Here it is important to note that Gen. Gordon while Governor General of Sudan in 1878 invited Rudolf von Slatin of Austria to become the Governor of Dara in SW Darfur. Slatin arrived there in 1879 to take that post.

In this time there was considerable trade in these regions which included of course Austria and Germany . In 1882 as the Mahdiyya had begun, a rebellion of Rizeigat tribesmen in Darfur took place in support of the Mahdi, and Slatin was captured. After the death of the Mahdi in 1885, he became the prisoner of Khalifa Abdullahi, until his escape in 1895.

In his book "Fire and Sword in the Sudan" (1896) Slatin notes that the Mahdi himself had a sword with a blade with markings and inscriptions clearly indicating its Eastern Europe origins. This would suggest that these blades were notably present and of high esteem in this period (1882-1885).

In references it is noted that the sword blades made by Clauberg appear to be from the period before the end of the Franco-Prussian war (1870), so this blade would appear to be from a cavalry saber pre-1870.

Whether it was mounted in the 'kaskara' style hilt in that time is unclear, but that it arrived in Sudan sometime around 1880 or slightly later seems most likely .

Mauro, I hope this might shed some light on the likely circumstances of your most interesting saber.

I have attached your photos from original post of the saber and marking we are discussing.


BTW Werecow, thank you for starting a new thread on the 'other ' topic which has indeed overtaken the query here.

[Philip]

Originally Posted by werecow

Ah interesting, thanks. I'm guessing that saber looks 18th century? How far back does the split fuller practice go?

Blades of this style are mostly associated with the 17th cent. However, as I mentioned the slightly-curved ones are sometimes seen on shashkas which for all appearances are 19th cent. It's likely that the style of fullering was carried over to a later period for commercial export purposes.

Which brings to mind a funny thing -- years ago, I had an unusual Vietnamese short saber with a carved horn grip including the knucklebow. The sturdy blade had the same fullering pattern, although I could tell that it was locally made because the bottoms of the wide fullers were flat rather than semi-round as on the European ones. And the workshop name, in Chinese characters, was chiseled on the ricasso! Interesting how these European affectations were copied by workmen in far off lands. The Metropolitan Museum of Art has a matchlock musket from Tonkin (northern Vietnam) with longitudinal fluting chiseled at the breech of the barrel, in the manner of 17th cent. Brescian barrelmakers Cominazzo, Francino, et al. (of course, the Cominazzo name was widely faked on guns made in the Ottoman empire as well).

Regarding your question on the saber hilt, it is a style typical of Poland and Hungary from the latter 16th cent. until the mid-17th. It is an "Oriental" style with clear influence from eastern cultures. Later Polish hilts, with L-shaped guards or full knucklebows) gradually replaced these beginning in the mid-17th cent.

[Mauro]

unfortunately this sword had no scabbard but I decideed to buy anyway due to the peculiarity of the blade and the maker mark. Many thanks for the various contributions. I have other kaskara in my collection (and I shall post another one very soon) but I have not seen other guards like this, that looks hand made and that, to my eyes could indicate an old age. However the proposed approximate age around 1870 or slightly younger seems to me a quite good approximation for the blade and probably also for the mount. Thanks again to all the contributors

[Jim McDougall]

Again, hoping to go to the original questions, so what we are hearing is that perhaps this is a European hilt and blade, not Sudanese or kaskara related at all?
While the hilt may resemble some European Oriental style, and is in brass contrary to the normal kaskara guards, I would point out that during the Khalifa after the death of the Mahdi in 1885, the shops at Omdurman were producing kaskaras with thuluth covered blades and brass hilts.

The discussion of the unusual fullering of the blade as well explained by Philip would concur with the Clauberg firm in Solingen. As noted in my earlier post, there was notable trade between Sudan and Darfur and East Europe prior to the Mahdiyya so the presence of a saber blade would be unusual, but certainly not unheard of especially for figures of standing.

The Clauberg blades were among those favored with certain markings, and in Arab parlance they were referred to as 'Abu Askeri' (bearer of the soldier).
Austrian broadsword blades were noted in "Travels in Kordofan" (Pallme 1844) which suggests a source for the blade I mentioned belonging to the Mahdi.

Another kaskara with a French inscription which appears to align with 1870s has a Clauberg blade, and another kaskara has a Klingenthal blade of earler 1800s.

To the west in the Sahara, the well known cousin of the kaskara, the takouba of the Tauregs et al, has a variation known as the 'aljuinar' which is mounted with curved blade. While many of these curved blades, also found on Manding sabers in Mali, are French, others have been seen with German blades and even one MOLE from England has been found.

The Trans Saharan trade routes well connected Sudanese regions with the important Hausa tribes to the west and as far as Nigeria and entrepots along the way.

So these things considered, there are a number of possibilities at hand to explain, 'why a kaskara with a curved saber blade'?
This is what keeps things interesting, and not just matching an item to a picture in a book.

[werecow]

Certainly the "pommel", if we can call it that, looks very Sudanese - at least the side of it we can see in the pictures, including the little nail that is holding the leather together (compare to the one below from a more typical kaskara). It is interesting to me how that pommel alone gives the entire sword a "kaskara" feel even when the rest of it is not entirely typical.

[Jim McDougall]

Originally Posted by werecow

Certainly the "pommel", if we can call it that, looks very Sudanese - at least the side of it we can see in the pictures, including the little nail that is holding the leather together (compare to the one below from a more typical kaskara). It is interesting to me how that pommel alone gives the entire sword a "kaskara" feel even when the rest of it is not entirely typical.

EXACTLY!
That is the thing with weapons, they do not always follow exact patterns, nor necessarily adhere to distinctly matching elements. As various weapons filtered into different spheres through trade routes networking through many tribal spheres, it is reasonable to presume certain workers or shops might alter their designs or methods according to other influences.It is interesting that there were apparently European workers in some degree in these shops who had been in Khartoum from Gordon's time.

This saber I have, which reflects of course Ottoman influence, has a shamshir style blade which is of a Turkish form of damascus (I'll leave that to the experts here). There is a 'kaskara' feel to the hilt combined with the bulbous Ottoman hilt, the lozenge cross hatch is mindful of such motif on the Darfur hilts of the so called Ali Dinar period in early 20th c. and the Kassala style hilts.
As Ed has noted, scabbard style may add to classification, note the distinct Sudanese style with flared tip.

On a side note to that I have always found it curious that the Manding sabers of Mali have that same flared feature on their scabbards. I have brought that up any times on these pages without response.

[werecow]

Originally Posted by Jim McDougall

On a side note to that I have always found it curious that the Manding sabers of Mali have that same flared feature on their scabbards. I have brought that up any times on these pages without response.

Yes, I've always found that curious as well! I took that to be some sort of selective cultural cross pollination, or possibly a case of convergent evolution as a tip reinforcement on fully leather scabbards (and then I got a hold of a manding sword where the tip had poked through anyway and a kaskara that had a metal chape, so... ).