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Old 21st March 2016, 03:38 PM   #1
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Default camel-dagger

I'd like to know opinions of better informed collectors about the dagger in the fotos. I think the grip is made from camel bone and there is no sheeth.
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Old 21st March 2016, 03:39 PM   #2
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some more fotos
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Old 22nd March 2016, 02:49 PM   #3
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I am unsure but if the pattern I highlighted in the Picture is formed by Schreger-lines, this hilt was made from elephant ivory.

btw, a beautiful dagger, congratulations! I like the shape of the blade.

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Old 22nd March 2016, 06:51 PM   #4
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I think too the hilt is elephant ivory, but it appears to be an old, repaired hilt, mounted on a contemporary Indian blade. Check the filled holes and the resin.
The thread should be moved to the Ethno forum.
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Old 22nd March 2016, 07:12 PM   #5
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Indeed.
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Old 22nd March 2016, 08:48 PM   #6
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Default Camel head Pommel Dagger

I am not sure of the handle material but I I think you have a lovely knife Corrado. I have not seen one with a pommel in the shape of a camel`s head before, most unusual thanks for sharing. The blade looks like a form of Indian Khanjar but I cannot tell if it is double edged.

I am not sure what forum Broadaxe and Fernando are referring to, I thought we were already in the Ethnographic Arms Forum
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Old 23rd March 2016, 07:52 AM   #7
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Thanks a lot to you for your helpful comments. The blade is two edged but as broadaxe said correctly it might probably be a rather new Indian one , but I am not sure. What pleases me is the nicely carved camel grip.
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Old 23rd March 2016, 08:24 AM   #8
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Hey Corrado,

Could you take clearer photos of the blade?
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Old 23rd March 2016, 11:00 AM   #9
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The dagger belongs to a friend who is a trucker and will come back from his tour not before april 1st. So I cannot take better Fotos, but I have tried to work at least one foto of the blade.
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Old 23rd March 2016, 11:50 AM   #10
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...I am not sure what forum Broadaxe and Fernando are referring to, I thought we were already in the Ethnographic Arms Forum

No, Miguel; we were in the European section of the Ethnographic Arms Forum; now we are at the Ethnographic section
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Old 23rd March 2016, 01:36 PM   #11
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The blade is pattern welded mechanical damascus and relatively sure not new.

New Indian damascus steel have a birds eye -pattern (in german language "small roses") in most cases.

A skillful made polishing and etching would bring back its original beauty.
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Old 23rd March 2016, 02:48 PM   #12
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Hi Roland_M,
this is very good news and I appreciate the high knowledge of the members of this forum very much. As soon as I have the dagger in hands I'll make better fotos to show them here.
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Old 24th March 2016, 03:24 PM   #13
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Hi corrado,

thank you and if you need some tips about polishing and etching including pictures of some examples of mine, please write me a personal message.

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Old 25th March 2016, 07:36 PM   #14
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No, Miguel; we were in the European section of the Ethnographic Arms Forum; now we are at the Ethnographic section


Apologies Fernando and Broadaxe I did not realize.
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Old 25th March 2016, 09:34 PM   #15
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Old 31st March 2016, 01:36 AM   #16
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My friends from a Rajasthani noble family have daggers that look VERY similar to this one, down to the koftgari. They have had them in the family for a long time, so it's possible that the whole dagger is old.
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Old 31st March 2016, 04:07 AM   #17
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I am unsure but if the pattern I highlighted in the Picture is formed by Schreger-lines, this hilt was made from elephant ivory.

btw, a beautiful dagger, congratulations! I like the shape of the blade.

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There is a possibility that it is Mammoth...Schreger lines tells us that it is from this group of animals. But the only way to be certain about whether it is from an extant or extinct animal is to look at the included degree angle of the cross hatching that the schreger lines form. Greater than 115 and it's Elephant. Lesser then 90 and it's Mammoth. But this test is only 100% accurate if the ivory is a clean cross section from the outer most layer of tusk. Generally speaking Elephant cross hatching is more cube shaped, and Mammoth cross hatching is more diamond shaped.

I would agree that taken with the look of that cross hatching, the color, the sheen, the way it cleaves where it has cracked...It looks like Elephant ivory. But the very small chance that it could be Mammoth ivory (as it is also exported worldwide and has been for some time) still remains. Just something to keep in mind with it.
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Old 2nd April 2016, 04:08 PM   #18
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Finally I got the camel dagger for my collection and made some fotos. After having examined the grip and the explanations by Helleri in mind I'm nearly sure that is elephant ivory. The total length of the dagger is 291mm, the blade is 191mm and is wide 22mm.

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In my opinion, the hilt is almost certainly very old elephant ivory but I am not very sure about the blade. I believe the blade is not new but much more recent than the hilt (my guess for the blade would be 20 century).

But this is just my opinion.
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Old 2nd April 2016, 07:38 PM   #20
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[QUOTE=mariusgmioc]In my opinion, the hilt is almost certainly very old elephant ivory but I am not very sure about the blade. I believe the blade is not new but much more recent than the hilt (my guess for the blade would be 20 century).

Agreed, blade and the koftgari looks a little bit like new, like the blades that are coming from India at the moment.
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