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Old 2nd February 2024, 03:00 AM   #1
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Hello dear members,

I was able to add the pictured keris recently to my collection. I am a little bit unsure about its origin. I strongly guess that it is a Straits keris but it could also be a Malay keris. Handle in Malay Jawa Deman form, strong 7 luk blade.
Another question, would you etch the blade or would you let it in this state?
45 cm inside scabbard, 43 cm without, blade with gonjo 35,5 cm.

Thank you in advance, I am curious to read your comments.

A Bugis keris and probably etching using Lime would bring out the common nice pamor. It might be from Riau region.

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Old 2nd February 2024, 10:47 AM   #2
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A Bugis keris and probably etching using Lime would bring out the common nice pamor. It might be from Riau region.
Hello Anthony,

I personally agree with you, I would classify this example as Straits Bugis keris, through the parallel batang I would rule out Bugis Sulawesi.

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Old 3rd February 2024, 12:34 AM   #3
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Hello Detlef,

I'm more leaning towards Bugis-influenced blade from the northern Melayu regions. Hilt & scabbard seem consistent, too.

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I'm more leaning towards Bugis-influenced blade from the northern Melayu regions. Hilt & scabbard seem consistent, too.
Hello Kai,

Thanks for your comment. As I said at the beginning, I'm not sure and had considered that. Are you able to justify that? Are you able to show a similar example?

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Need new glasses.... disregard

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Old 7th February 2024, 11:27 AM   #6
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I can't get a read on it as a whole. IF I was to through out a guess i'd say Sumatran side of the northern straits.

Question, is the blade true to the sheath?

I ask as there is extra worn opening at the gonjo end where it typically should be sitting over that space.
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I can't get a read on it as a whole. IF I was to through out a guess i'd say Sumatran side of the northern straits.
Hello Gav,

Another option I had reservations about but like always I can be very wrong!

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Question, is the blade true to the sheath?

I ask as there is extra worn opening at the gonjo end where it typically should be sitting over that space.
You have sharp eyes, yes there is a gap in front and back of the gonjo when it is in scabbard but I am nearly convinced that it's the original scabbard, the visible patina inside the scabbard and the secure fit let me think like this.

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