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Old 29th August 2023, 10:13 AM   #1
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Hello friends,

Just arrived from Puerto Princesa, Palawan. A lumad (Palawan'on) kris.

OAL: 26.5 inches/ blade: 20.75 inches.

Enjoy and kind regards,

Yves

Note: the rope on the hilt (typical of Palawan'on and lumad style).
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Old 29th August 2023, 11:12 AM   #2
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I believe it's a Lumad-appropriated Moro kris. Probably Maguindanao-made, late 1800s. I had one exactly like that, it was provenanced from a Maguindanao lineage. Your kris might have just passed hands, been traded, or migrated, hence its most recent status as Lumad-owned. But it's Moro, no question about it, even the dress. The true-blue Lumad-made kris doesn't have that build; it doesn't even have a gangya, and the dress is non-Moro.
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Old 30th August 2023, 06:17 AM   #3
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The true-blue Lumad-made kris doesn't have that build; it doesn't even have a gangya, and the dress is non-Moro.
Hello Ray,

Do you mean such a "kris"?

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Hello Ray,

Do you mean such a "kris"?

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Halloo Detlef! Yes, that one exactly
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Old 4th September 2023, 01:31 PM   #5
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I believe it's a Lumad-appropriated Moro kris. Probably Maguindanao-made, late 1800s. I had one exactly like that, it was provenanced from a Maguindanao lineage. Your kris might have just passed hands, been traded, or migrated, hence its most recent status as Lumad-owned. But it's Moro, no question about it, even the dress. The true-blue Lumad-made kris doesn't have that build; it doesn't even have a gangya, and the dress is non-Moro.
Is this sampir, if that's the right word to use in this context, isn't this style known to Jolo too?
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Old 4th September 2023, 03:17 PM   #6
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I'm guessing this is also a Lumad kris?

I'll dig it out soon and post it with better pictures and dimensions.
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I'm guessing this is also a Lumad kris?
Hello Philip,

short answer: yes!

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Old 4th September 2023, 07:27 PM   #8
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Under Cato’s classification, a Maranao blade with a Lumad hilt.
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Not unusual to have a Moro blade in Lumad fittings.

Better pictures would be helpful.
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