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Old 3rd March 2023, 02:38 PM   #1
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Hello David,
actually it's ok to call it a kris. during the Philippine Revolution, one of the main theme was going back to the pre-Hispanic days. with that in mind, the Northern Filipinos really looked up to their southern brethrens since the Moros were never subjugated by the Spaniards. that includes copying a facsimile of their weapons, hence the kris style blades.
of note as well, is the spanish term for gunong: kris de punyal

Gavin: i got beaten up on that particular piece, and some others, lol.
worst one was the kris that went for *****!

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Hello David,
actually it's ok to call it a kris. during the Philippine Revolution, one of the main theme was going back to the pre-Hispanic days. with that in mind, the Northern Filipinos really looked up to their southern brethrens since the Moros were never subjugated by the Spaniards. that includes copying a facsimile of their weapons, hence the kris style blades.
of note as well, is the spanish term for gunong: kris de punyal
That's OK Ron. LOL! I'll still choose not to call these Luzon swords kris. Do we have any records that show that is what the people of Luzon called them. And i mean then, not how they are marketed today. And as you point out, kris de punyal is the Spanish term for gunong. I'll continue to use gunong.
And Gavin, yeah, i'd call that example you posted a dagger rather than a sword. A very nice one at that!
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That's OK Ron. LOL! I'll still choose not to call these Luzon swords kris. Do we have any records that show that is what the people of Luzon called them. And i mean then, not how they are marketed today. And as you point out, kris de punyal is the Spanish term for gunong. I'll continue to use gunong.
And Gavin, yeah, i'd call that example you posted a dagger rather than a sword. A very nice one at that!
if i come across one, i'll post it. nowadays, been busy with a lot of other things.


SanibelSwaasa, the auction was so obscure, i thought i had a monopoly on it, lol. except for the bolo with horn scabbard and gold kris (congrats on you two!), i'm happy with what got
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Hello David,
actually it's ok to call it a kris. during the Philippine Revolution, one of the main theme was going back to the pre-Hispanic days. with that in mind, the Northern Filipinos really looked up to their southern brethrens since the Moros were never subjugated by the Spaniards. that includes copying a facsimile of their weapons, hence the kris style blades.
of note as well, is the spanish term for gunong: kris de punyal

Gavin: i got beaten up on that particular piece, and some others, lol.
worst one was the kris that went for ****!
Sorry mate, on both

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Hello David,
actually it's ok to call it a kris. during the Philippine Revolution, one of the main theme was going back to the pre-Hispanic days. with that in mind, the Northern Filipinos really looked up to their southern brethrens since the Moros were never subjugated by the Spaniards. that includes copying a facsimile of their weapons, hence the kris style blades.
of note as well, is the spanish term for gunong: kris de punyal

Gavin: i got beaten up on that particular piece, and some others, lol.
worst one was the kris that went for ****!
Ron,

Your post is so on point… Gavin, you and I were literally killing each other… Gavin got that Kris… lol… but I got to see it in person yesterday and the hilt is solid cast metal… non-tarnished heavy… definitely not brass… so it could very well be worth the price… I obviously thought so😢😢😢

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Ron,

Your post is so on point… Gavin, you and I were literally killing each other… Gavin got that Kris… lol… but I got to see it in person yesterday and the hilt is solid cast metal… non-tarnished heavy… definitely not brass… so it could very well be worth the price… I obviously thought so😢😢😢
Sorry mate... and yes it seems we were, but there was a BIG buyer in Texas hammering down on these pieces too....I stood aside for you both on some pieces as there was only one of real personal interest for me in there...

I'm pretty easy to get along with, if you've seen it, I've likely seen it, I'll often stand aside for others, as some members here know....and I'll say if it is something I have to have... a little give and take balance...

I'm grateful it was in your backyard and you got there first hand on the day.

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