interesting Persian item

mahratt · 1st May 2021, 08:03 PM

Hello guys!
Does anyone know how this Persian item was used?

Rick · 1st May 2021, 10:35 PM

A fancy steel for striking flint perhaps?

mahratt · 2nd May 2021, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Rick

A fancy steel for striking flint perhaps?

I thought about it ... But in my opinion too graceful ...

colin henshaw · 2nd May 2021, 09:02 PM

Sort of looks like the trigger to an Indian matchlock gun (torador) ?

mahratt · 2nd May 2021, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by colin henshaw

Sort of looks like the trigger to an Indian matchlock gun (torador) ?

An interesting version. But I have never seen a Persian matchlock gun or Indian matchlock gun (torador) with such a trigger.
This is undoubtedly a Persian work

ariel · 3rd May 2021, 07:06 AM

I may join Rick here: that was the first thing to come to my mind. On top of everything, the configuration fits.
Fancy or not, graceful or not, it will do the job. All things come in a variety of embellishments that do not change their function. A crystal snifter and a ceramic cup differ dramatically, but both are drinking vessels. Closer to home are sword handles: different forms, materials and ways of attaching them to the tang ( and I am not talking about gems, carvings or lack thereof), but they are all just a grip.
My 5 cents. Well, more like two...

kronckew · 3rd May 2021, 09:33 AM

Hook for attaching a sword frog or belt pouch to a loop on a belt? What are it's dimensions?

mahratt · 3rd May 2021, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by kronckew

Hook for attaching a sword frog or belt pouch to a loop on a belt? What are it's dimensions?

Here is the size

ariel · 3rd May 2021, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by kronckew

Hook for attaching a sword frog or belt pouch to a loop on a belt?

Oriental suspension hooks had a flat part with a wide opening for the belt and with a plane perpendicular to the plane of the hook.
I see no possible way of attaching the pierced part to the belt.
I just cannot come up with any usable function for this thingamajig except for being a fire striker. Perhaps my “ fantasy center” is atrophic:-(
And, BTW, NW India adopted open ( pierced) iron work from both Persia and South India.
The Indian origin of that gizmo cannot be excluded, IMHO.

colin henshaw · 10th May 2021, 03:13 PM

My guess is its a trigger from a torador, with the steel extension part re-purposed to make a fire-striker.

ariel · 10th May 2021, 07:27 PM

I know nothing about firearms, so no professional counterargument from me.
Although, if “ .. the steel extension part (was) re-purposed to make a fire-striker”, then in its current version it became a fire-striker. Like a broken sword re-purposed to make a dagger becomes a dagger. No?

Kubur · 11th May 2021, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ariel

Although, if “ .. the steel extension part (was) re-purposed to make a fire-striker”, then in its current version it became a fire-striker. Like a broken sword re-purposed to make a dagger becomes a dagger. No?

Right again about the sword becoming a dagger

The problem is that you cannot prove, and nobody can prove, that the trigger was reused as a fire-striker...

It could have been reused as a fishing hook

Kubur · 11th May 2021, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by colin henshaw

My guess is its a trigger from a torador, with the steel extension part re-purposed to make a fire-striker.

100% right it is a trigger, and I can prove it but I need to scan the page of the book where the piece is coming from.

Not from a torador but from a Persian matchlock.

Kubur

1st May 2021, 08:03 PM	#1
mahratt Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Russia Posts: 1,042	interesting Persian item Hello guys! Does anyone know how this Persian item was used? Attached Images

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kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,152	Hook for attaching a sword frog or belt pouch to a loop on a belt? What are it's dimensions? Attached Images

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colin henshaw Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,430	My guess is its a trigger from a torador, with the steel extension part re-purposed to make a fire-striker. Attached Images

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Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,263	A fancy steel for striking flint perhaps?

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colin henshaw Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,430	Sort of looks like the trigger to an Indian matchlock gun (torador) ?

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ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	I may join Rick here: that was the first thing to come to my mind. On top of everything, the configuration fits. Fancy or not, graceful or not, it will do the job. All things come in a variety of embellishments that do not change their function. A crystal snifter and a ceramic cup differ dramatically, but both are drinking vessels. Closer to home are sword handles: different forms, materials and ways of attaching them to the tang ( and I am not talking about gems, carvings or lack thereof), but they are all just a grip. My 5 cents. Well, more like two...

10th May 2021, 07:27 PM	#11
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	I know nothing about firearms, so no professional counterargument from me. Although, if “ .. the steel extension part (was) re-purposed to make a fire-striker”, then in its current version it became a fire-striker. Like a broken sword re-purposed to make a dagger becomes a dagger. No?