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5th March 2024, 12:30 AM | #1 |
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Hello Martin,
Thanks for the additional pics and details! The hilt could be from albino waterbuffalo; however, judging from the surface where polished (as well as more matte optics where more patinated) and the visible pores & grain structure I believe I can make out, I'm siding with Detlef in guessing this might be wood, indeed! Why haven't you polished the remaining metal ring? More comments tomorrow... Regards, Kai |
5th March 2024, 05:49 AM | #2 |
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Hi Kai,
i didn't polish it yet because i also need to fasten it again. it's loose so i need to re-glue it. And from very close inspection with magnification you can see similar lines that are in horn. As a teacher in restoration of furniture and wooden objects i know my materials. I only used a soft cloth for silver to rub the sleeve and the tip, i am still in doubt if i will use some Nikco a very fine polish material for precious materials. Regards, Martin |
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Thanks, Martin!
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Hello Detlef,
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A proper saruek ulat is worked into a scale-like 3D structure by embossing (on both sides) and its margins bridged by some decor elements. With this rencong, the base of the gold saruek ulat was covered by a flat calyx-like ring of suasa and the other end, too (possibly another calyx or plain ring - too little left nor imprints to verify, it seems). While most likely also originally based on the lotus symbolism, these flat, undecorated rings are a far cry from the full-fledged calyx/crowns in puco or glupa form. I don't know whether any simple, ferrule-like ring adjacent the blade bolster (as in your rencong) would also be referred to as saruek ulat in the originating cultures (if pressed, I kinda doubt it). Regards, Kai |
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I want to exprss exactly the same you stated, a sleeve isn't a saruek ulat so we can't compare the sleeve from the from Martin posted luju alang with the saruek ulat from the rencong in question! Regards, Detlef |
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5th March 2024, 07:10 PM | #6 |
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Thanks for clarifying, Detlef!
Actually, I believe the luju alang exhibits a genuine saruek ulat (here made from silver): It seems to have the scales in 3D. These saruek ulat come in variety of qualities, materials, and construction details. Regards, Kai |
5th March 2024, 10:34 PM | #7 |
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Kai and Detlef,
i need to re-read everything, i allready read the whole thread about the crowned rencong from a few years ago, and more and more terms i didn't know. There is a whole history behind all the decorations on rencong's. I never expected there are so many layers. For me the rencong starts to live in a way but also makes me feel like a novice in collection edged weapons. Thank you for all the thoughts and knowledge you share on the forum with me. Regards, Martin |
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