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Old 29th August 2020, 01:30 PM   #1
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Default Seeking translation assistance on Indian sword stamp

This sword has a few interesting features. The first is the stamp with Arabic inscription. I make out the numerals 1110 which would translate to roughly around 1688 on the Western calendar which seems a bit early for this blade but maybe not. Perhaps the date is based on a different calendar. Am hoping the inscription provides additional insights. This blade also has the faux European markings but the stamping is about as clear and precise as I have seen. Finally, the hilt motif is very interesting. The fish style motif seems to be a very strong Asian influence.

Looking forward to thoughts and hopefully a translation on the stamp. Thank you.
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Old 29th August 2020, 03:28 PM   #2
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Hi,
Stamps are quite reminiscent of these. This one belongs to Jens.
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Old 29th August 2020, 03:29 PM   #3
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Hi,
This one belongs to me.
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Old 29th August 2020, 05:01 PM   #4
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I think it is 1115.
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Old 29th August 2020, 08:18 PM   #5
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Perhaps this is easier to read. I think Ariel is right about the date--converts to 1698 Gregorian.

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Old 30th August 2020, 02:33 AM   #6
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Stamps are quite reminiscent of these. This one belongs to Jens.
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Yes, Jens example also has the Faux European markings but I noticed under the langet his example also has a stamped cartouche. Would be interesting to see if they have similar translations.
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This one belongs to me.
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Nice looking sword. Thanks for sharing and good to see another example of this blade mark.
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Perhaps this is easier to read. I think Ariel is right about the date--converts to 1698 Gregorian.

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Thanks Ian. Yes, that does make it easier and hopefully someone will be able to translate.
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I think it is 1115.


Thanks Ariel.
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Nice tulwar.
The text in the round staamp says 'Ibrahim'.
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Nice tulwar.
The text in the round staamp says 'Ibrahim'.


Thanks Jen. I appreciate the info on the stamp on your blade. Hopefully someone will be able to translate mine.
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Hello,
The date in the cartouche may have a different meaning, like the year when the swordsmith shop was founded... maybe...
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Hey Rick,

I cant understand but I can transliterate

I think it says عالمكمرث

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عالمكرث

Alamkarth or Alamkamarth


Beautiful sword btw
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It says

عالمگیر شاهی ‌۱۱۱۵

“ ‘Alamgir Shahi 1115”

‘Alamgir was the regnal name of Aurangzeb and the title ‘Alamgir Shahi was used for officers in his service. The year 1115 AH = 1703-4 AD.
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عالمگیر شاهی ‌۱۱۱۵

“ ‘Alamgir Shahi 1115”

‘Alamgir was the regnal name of Aurangzeb and the title ‘Alamgir Shahi was used for officers in his service. The year 1115 AH = 1703-4 AD.


Thank you very much Kwiatek! This is very helpful information and really nails down the time period for this blade.
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Old 2nd September 2020, 09:19 AM   #16
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Anyhow, these blades are are looking great... excepting that they appear to be somehow over-cleaned.

Also considering their age, there is a good chance they are wootz.

So, if they were mine, I would do some polishing and etching to try and reveal the wootz pattern (if there is any), or to give the blade some patina, more consistent with its age.
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Anyhow, these blades are are looking great... excepting that they appear to be somehow over-cleaned.



Hi,
I suspect you are referring to the sword that belongs to me. I would heartily agree with you but unfortunately in this case the hilt of the sword was covered in black and gold paint and the blade had been attacked with a grinder hence the 'restoration' process was a lot more agressive than normal.
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Hello Norman,

Yes, I know that sometimes the blade needs some additional polishing to remove the scars from previous abuse.

It still is a lovely blade!
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