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23rd October 2020, 04:36 AM | #1 |
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David, 40 or 50 years ago I think I might have agreed with you that this hilt form is not really a janggelan, but then, I would not have had any other Indonesian name to to give it. However, in recent years it seems to me that most people do currently refer to this form as janggelan, and again, I do not know another name for it. Personally I'm happy enough to go with the flow on this one.
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12th January 2021, 11:08 PM | #2 | |
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I also have some hilts of this style in my collection. Like Alan I guess that the hilt from IP is from ebony, I've never seen one from horn. I am the only one who see by this particular janggelan style a "floral face" by some of them? |
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12th January 2021, 11:27 PM | #3 |
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Yeah, it is possible to see a face in some of them, and again, yeah, other published sources do call them janggelan.
Personally, I'd like a different name for them, but I've never heard one. |
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YES!!! It has haunted me because I can find no reference to it. I snapped some pictures of these things a month or two ago but could not find a common thread in them that made a post i though was worthy of bringing before the group. I wanted to ask if they were ancestors related to the patra on planar hilts, Kala, or rasasaka peeping out of the forest. Though sometimes the figures remind me of arachnids. Last edited by Interested Party; 13th January 2021 at 12:52 AM. Reason: incomplete thought |
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13th January 2021, 03:15 PM | #7 |
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Well, as someone who seems to be especially prone to pareidolia i also see faces in the vegetal design of these hilts. I suppose it is debatable if these faces are intentional or not, but to me it seems likely that as Islamic restrictions on depicting human form came into play this was the result.
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13th January 2021, 08:56 PM | #9 |
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Very nice collection Detlef
I love this type of hilt. |
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